when is this casual gaming plauge going to stop?

[Dracovec]

This "plague" as you call it won't stop, because there will always be a market for casual games.
Oh, and the same amount of "hardcore" games still come out. The two hardly effect eachother.

and with i would disagree since i check out at least 10-15 games i havent played a month from older to newest and id like to say hardcore is a relative term these days

I really don't know what you just said. I'm not even a grammar nazi, but dude, c'mon.
I'll respond to this

hardcore is a relative term these days

Of course. It's always been a relative term. Notice, I put hardcore in inverted commas, because I wouldn't describe non-casual games like that.

i love when people dont really have an argument they attack at a personal level,otherwise known as being an ass

Oh ffs man. I wasn't attacking you. I really could not understand what you wrote because it was worded so badly. Not everyone is out to get you.

i will back you up, i had to read his post a good 3-4 times to decipher what he was getting at, its english alright, just mixed up and missing words.

once again i screwed up what i said yay!! so glad you people have to get stuck on this except what we are all talking about lol

 

[Flamespeak]

i do,ever finished oblivion wearing nothing but clothes,fists and a smile lol

You ever kicked a Rathalos to death wearing a chef's outfit?

 

[Grigori361]

it won't Well maybe it will for the zombie apocalypse.

 

[SonicWaffle]

remember when there was more than 2 games a month that came out that were longer than 2-3 hours,had real stories,and had original,well balanced,un-generic game play...i miss those days

You know what's really sad?

You don't see these "casual gamers" complaining that there are too many hardcore titles. No threads about "Why are BioWare making another RPG? They ought to make a farming simulator with fluffy sheep and watering mini-games instead!"

They are enjoying their hobby. You, and all the other people who constantly rant about how casual gaming is destroying everything from happiness to apple pie, are allowing someone else's enjoyment of a product to affect your own. Let's put this in the simplest terms we can;

Casual gamers - buy a game, play a game, enjoy the game. Maybe enjoy it enough to go out and buy more games. Play those too, and most likely enjoy them.

So-called "Hardcore" gamers - buy a game, play a game, complain that it isn't as good as it could have been. Blame this on casual gaming. Whine about how "their" hobby is being ruined by other people enjoying it.

Really, which of the two is the real gamer, the person who genuinely enjoys playing video games or the one who announces that video games suck because someone else has different opinions of quality?

 

[Flamespeak]

well yea seems about right seeing as most new games are complete shit with ridiculous prices and costly dlc

If you don't enjoy the hobby, you can always try something else. I can usually find something fun to do with almost any game I play. (Except for Trigger Man, which is quite possibly the worst game ever made in the history of time. It would be a close call between that and Big Rigs). Not saying all games are great, but if you really think that most games are shit, then maybe you should pick up a different hobby that you find more enjoyable is all.

 

[Dracovec]

remember when there was more than 2 games a month that came out that were longer than 2-3 hours,had real stories,and had original,well balanced,un-generic game play...i miss those days

You know what's really sad?

You don't see these "casual gamers" complaining that there are too many hardcore titles. No threads about "Why are BioWare making another RPG? They ought to make a farming simulator with fluffy sheep and watering mini-games instead!"

They are enjoying their hobby. You, and all the other people who constantly rant about how casual gaming is destroying everything from happiness to apple pie, are allowing someone else's enjoyment of a product to affect your own. Let's put this in the simplest terms we can;

Casual gamers - buy a game, play a game, enjoy the game. Maybe enjoy it enough to go out and buy more games. Play those too, and most likely enjoy them.

So-called "Hardcore" gamers - buy a game, play a game, complain that it isn't as good as it could have been. Blame this on casual gaming. Whine about how "their" hobby is being ruined by other people enjoying it.

Really, which of the two is the real gamer, the person who genuinely enjoys playing video games or the one who announces that video games suck because someone else has different opinions of quality?

this is true to a point and i agree i love gaming and love some fucking terrible games lol and my comment was this- remember when there was more than 2 games a month that came out that were longer than 2-3 hours,had real stories,and had original,well balanced,un-generic game play...i miss those days-and trying to find games i really enjoy is getting harder and harder and i have tried not to attack any titles in specific aiming more at the mass of what i see and how its a hour long debate to find a game for me to buy usually walking back out when even while ps2 was the current i could find a couple games i realy enjoyed every week or so

 

[Legendsmith]

*Sigh*
Casual games are good. They are fun. Peggle is a great game. Audiosurf is a great game. Osmos is a great game. World of Goo is a great game. Even portal could be considered a casual game.
These games are immersive, to an extend (portal is immersive as any hardcore game).

What is bad are the social games spawned by companies like Zynga. And the borderline social/casual games.

 

[TOGSolid]

Games like (brace for personal bias) Dragon Age: Origins are actually progressing this field. The world they create known as Thedas is just so contextually believable and complete. Go and visit greywardens.com to see what I mean, they write articles on every aspect of it, and I've seen no other game where that's possible without just making up a load of fan-imagined bullshit.

Dragon Age is a horrible example in all honesty. The writing in that game is complete garbage when compared to true masterpieces like Planescape: Torment, and the Baldur's Gate series. It's horribly cliche and doesn't really have an ounce of originality to it. The "darkspawn" are one step away from being faceless Orc menace #3824 and the characters you can recruit aren't particularly memorable. Space Hamster toting Rangers they aren't.

If anything, Dragon Age is just another great example of just how little the non-technological development of games has progressed.

Oddly enough this rant of hardcore vs casual, when dialed back a few years would have been originally discussed as "when is this console gaming plague going to stop." Now everyone else gets to go through what the PC gaming crowd went through as we watched our hobby get watered down by the industry's need to churn out games that mostly just appeal to the herpaderp masses.

i disagree. the hardcore games will never, ever be cut out to release a slew of casual games. Look at MW2; it obliterated sales records of everything in existence. And look at Halo; never before has a video game caused such a cultural phenomenon. Companies will never cut these cash cows out, because that would be just plain stupid.

Implying that MW2 and Halo are "hardcore games."

Lol.

 

[cheywoodward]

I completely disagree with what you are saying for a number of reasons

1: "casual" gaming, while more popular than ever before is not a problem. Yes it has resulted in an increase of shovelware but that shovelware has paid for many of the "hardcore" games we love. In addition casual gaming has no effect on anyone who reads review scores and pays attention to what they buy instead of just walking into gamestop and buying whatever looks cool.

2: Games are much longer than they have ever been before and contain much more advanced stories. Just look at Bioware or Quantic Dream: Mass Effect and Dragon Age can last hundreds of hours and contain stories on par with if not better than most movies, and Heavy Rain has an amazing story and an unimaginable amount of replay value.

Therefore while "casual" gaming has helped increase the amount of shovelware in videogames. "Hardcore" gaming is just as popular as ever and while yes graphics are better and there is an influx of "samey" shooters, the length and stories of games are infinitely better today than in the days of pac-man or even super mario 64.

 

[NickCooley]

I am so sick of this casual vs hardcore bullshit. A game is a game, don't ruin gaming with your petty, made up tags. Although I've always found it funny that "hardcore" gamers are the ones that whine like little bitches at every given opportunity. Do they even know what that word means?

 

[CriticalGriffin]

When is stupid video game conservatism going to stop? And when will this thread die, since it's obvious by now that this topic now serves as nothing but a vehicle of proving how wrong the thread starter is?

 

[Nomanslander]

When is it going to stop? You do know the casual market bring in more money right?

I think the question you should be worried about is whether or not it'll replace the rest of the gaming market as a whole, wondering when it'll end is the stuff dreams are made of.

>=0

 

[Dracovec]

Games like (brace for personal bias) Dragon Age: Origins are actually progressing this field. The world they create known as Thedas is just so contextually believable and complete. Go and visit greywardens.com to see what I mean, they write articles on every aspect of it, and I've seen no other game where that's possible without just making up a load of fan-imagined bullshit.

Dragon Age is a horrible example in all honesty. The writing in that game is complete garbage when compared to true masterpieces like Planescape: Torment, and the Baldur's Gate series. It's horribly cliche and doesn't really have an ounce of originality to it. The "darkspawn" are one step away from being faceless Orc menace #3824 and the characters you can recruit aren't particularly memorable. Space Hamster toting Rangers they aren't.

If anything, Dragon Age is just another great example of just how little the non-technological development of games has progressed.

Oddly enough this rant of hardcore vs casual, when dialed back a few years would have been originally discussed as "when is this console gaming plague going to stop." Now everyone else gets to go through what the PC gaming crowd went through as we watched our hobby get watered down by the industry's need to churn out games that mostly just appeal to the herpaderp masses.

i disagree. the hardcore games will never, ever be cut out to release a slew of casual games. Look at MW2; it obliterated sales records of everything in existence. And look at Halo; never before has a video game caused such a cultural phenomenon. Companies will never cut these cash cows out, because that would be just plain stupid.

Implying that MW2 and Halo are "hardcore games."

Lol.

i have to jump with you with planescape (go dakon!!) and old black isle,interplay rpgs make me smile and scream at them in anger from imminent death lol

 

[Dracovec]

When is stupid video game conservatism going to stop? And when will this thread die?

i dunno if you you dont like it look at a picture of a moose and go away

 

[Anggul]

When will this plague of people seeming to think that gaming could be described as anything but a 'casual' activity stop?

 

[Flamespeak]

Oddly enough this rant of hardcore vs casual, when dialed back a few years would have been originally discussed as "when is this console gaming plague going to stop." Now everyone else gets to go through what the PC gaming crowd went through as we watched our hobby get watered down by the industry's need to churn out games that mostly just appeal to the herpaderp masses.

I find it funny that you think that way considering console games were here first. To say that they watered down anything when they are the source is just silly. And, if we are going to be throwing around phrases like 'casual' and such, The Sims and WoW are some of the best selling games on your platform of choice AND no other platform is bogged down with as much Pop Cap gaming goodness as the PC. It is the platform of choice for most casual gamers (not saying there is anything wrong with being casual).

 

[JuryNelson]

Immersion, motherfuckers. The gameplay can be as dodgy as my 6 year old PC, what developers have apparently forgotten is how to write. The innumerable space marines wouldn't be an issue if they were compellingly written.

There was a guest on Charlie Brooker's Gameswipe who articulated this perfectly. He said something along the lines of "technology has come along in leaps and bounds so prolific it boggles the mind to compare today's works to something released even just 5 years ago, however, the writing has barely progressed since the eighties." I can't remember it exactly. Or be fucked to find the episode. It's on youtube somewhere if you're interested.

Games like (brace for personal bias) Dragon Age: Origins are actually progressing this field. The world they create known as Thedas is just so contextually believable and complete. Go and visit greywardens.com to see what I mean, they write articles on every aspect of it, and I've seen no other game where that's possible without just making up a load of fan-imagined bullshit.

thank you lol thats the word i have been searching for immersion dear god games used to at least suck you in now they dont seem to get past the suck part for the most part

Oh, ell oh ell. "All games I don't like are terrible and should never be made."

 

[Kookookrazy]

I honestly wouldnt mind some of the "casual" games that get released but since i live in Australia and games over here are priced at almost double the american price on release... its kinda hard to justify the cost