Which is the bigger problem? Piracy or DRM?

[icyneesan]

Im Gonna say DRM. Too me it just looks like its easier to put the game on Steam. This doesn't solve the DS and PSP problems though, so I guess I'm not that helpful lol

 

[Anarchemitis]

Piracy results in DRM which results in Piracy.

Piracy fired the first shot.

...and, do you mean that makes it worse ? how ?
Actually this isn't true, with copyright enforcement being basically DRM and older than the internet.
On the other hand sharing is a natural behavior that was there since the dawn of man, it's not a behavior that would have survived if it wasn't good for us.

Piracy is a form of theft, however piracy does not conform to all of the definitions of theft due to the fact that in digital form it makes perfect replicas as opposed to taking singular assets by force.
Copyright originally was designed to specify how long after someone died did their intellectual property still bear their name and respective rights until it became part of the public domain.

 

[Delusibeta]

the longer they can keep a game from being crack the more money they can make(my original point in the graph you didn't understand)

As Ubisoft will tell you, this is rubbish.

 

[direkiller]

the longer they can keep a game from being crack the more money they can make(my original point in the graph you didn't understand)

As Ubisoft will tell you, this is rubbish.

Did the sale of there game increase after a crack was out?(no sales dropped)

So if the crack was out earlier they would have made less money

 

[Delusibeta]

the longer they can keep a game from being crack the more money they can make(my original point in the graph you didn't understand)

As Ubisoft will tell you, this is rubbish.

Did the sale of there game increase after a crack was out?(no sales dropped)

Yes, most likely.

 

[Atmos Duality]

They both suck.

/thread

 

[direkiller]

the longer they can keep a game from being crack the more money they can make(my original point in the graph you didn't understand)

As Ubisoft will tell you, this is rubbish.

Did the sale of there game increase after a crack was out?(no sales dropped)

Yes, most likely.

Then the DRM did its job

next time try reading up on a subject(or learn how to read the graph) before you try saying a point is invalid

 

[incal11]

Copyright originally was designed to specify how long after someone died did their intellectual property still bear their name and respective rights until it became part of the public domain.

Idea theft would be plagiarism, sharing data is not.
No, copyrights were made by english printers to ensure a monopoly at the detriment of everyone's access to culture. The rest of the world used to work very well without this.

If they fall on that line they did intend to buy it at some price(just not at full price).

Oh I see. In that case easy ways to donate to the artists could solve the problem, perhaps on the very torrent pages...

They both suck.
/thread

Ninja'd you when I replied to the OP.
Except that I think it's the attitude of most people behind Drm and Piracy that sucks.

 

[RhombusHatesYou]

I don't what you do for a living but I'd bet you'd be pissed if instead of paying you to do your job, I instead made you do it then ran away without paying.

Unless you're a freelance artist... in which case, you take a look at what the payment was going to be and if it will be worth your time and effort chasing it down (or, if the payment owed is large enough, getting someone else to).

 

[Delusibeta]

the longer they can keep a game from being crack the more money they can make(my original point in the graph you didn't understand)

As Ubisoft will tell you, this is rubbish.

Did the sale of there game increase after a crack was out?(no sales dropped)

Yes, most likely.

Then the DRM did its job

next time try reading up on a subject(or learn how to read the graph) before you try saying a point is invalid

No it didn't. My arguement is that once the crack was released, getting round the the DRM, sales probably increased. Ergo, the DRM did not do it's job. The DRM was irrelent on how many first-week sales there are, ditto how many people pirated it and applied less well working cracks. You're just trying to avoid admitting that you're wrong.

 

[direkiller]

the longer they can keep a game from being crack the more money they can make(my original point in the graph you didn't understand)

As Ubisoft will tell you, this is rubbish.

Did the sale of there game increase after a crack was out?(no sales dropped)

Yes, most likely.

Then the DRM did its job

next time try reading up on a subject(or learn how to read the graph) before you try saying a point is invalid

No it didn't. My arguement is that once the crack was released, getting round the the DRM, sales probably increased. Ergo, the DRM did not do it's job. The DRM was irrelent on how many first-week sales there are, ditto how many people pirated it and applied less well working cracks. You're just trying to avoid admitting that you're wrong.

probably increased?
(figures plz)

The ones i can find they all decreased
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/28166/Nintendo_R4_Cartridges_Caused_50_Euro_Sales_Drop.php (hardware is DRM as much as a program)

quote from a publisher:
You can't afford to be cracked. As soon as you're gone, you're gone, and your sales drop astronomically if you've got a day-one crack.

 

[Delusibeta]

the longer they can keep a game from being crack the more money they can make(my original point in the graph you didn't understand)

As Ubisoft will tell you, this is rubbish.

Did the sale of there game increase after a crack was out?(no sales dropped)

Yes, most likely.

Then the DRM did its job

next time try reading up on a subject(or learn how to read the graph) before you try saying a point is invalid

No it didn't. My arguement is that once the crack was released, getting round the the DRM, sales probably increased. Ergo, the DRM did not do it's job. The DRM was irrelent on how many first-week sales there are, ditto how many people pirated it and applied less well working cracks. You're just trying to avoid admitting that you're wrong.

probably increased?
(figures plz)

You're the one arguing that more sales are gained when there's no crack compared to when there's an early crack. You get figures, and then find out that there's none and thus both of us are talking out our arses.

 

[direkiller]

the longer they can keep a game from being crack the more money they can make(my original point in the graph you didn't understand)

As Ubisoft will tell you, this is rubbish.

Did the sale of there game increase after a crack was out?(no sales dropped)

Yes, most likely.

Then the DRM did its job

next time try reading up on a subject(or learn how to read the graph) before you try saying a point is invalid

No it didn't. My arguement is that once the crack was released, getting round the the DRM, sales probably increased. Ergo, the DRM did not do it's job. The DRM was irrelent on how many first-week sales there are, ditto how many people pirated it and applied less well working cracks. You're just trying to avoid admitting that you're wrong.

probably increased?
(figures plz)

You're the one arguing that more sales are gained when there's no crack compared to when there's an early crack. You get figures, and then find out that there's none and thus both of us are talking out our arses.

done see above post

 

[LordofPurple]

Honestly I've never seen DRM make a difference at all, and that's just based on the people I associate with that pirate. I'm not saying pirating is right in any way, but I am saying that from what I've seen and heard that it's pretty damn useless and has done absolutely nothing to stop pirates. (I would go on to say that it actually only encourages piracy, but that's been said a thousand times already, I'm sure)

 

[RhombusHatesYou]

and like I just said to others I don't care about permissions.

Yeah, it's all fine and good not to care about permissions when it's not your stuff being shared around.

When you decide that 'sharing culture' is more important than fair reimbursement for the creative talent's labour you're being just as scummy as many publishers are.

 

[Delusibeta]

the longer they can keep a game from being crack the more money they can make(my original point in the graph you didn't understand)

As Ubisoft will tell you, this is rubbish.

Did the sale of there game increase after a crack was out?(no sales dropped)

Yes, most likely.

Then the DRM did its job

next time try reading up on a subject(or learn how to read the graph) before you try saying a point is invalid

No it didn't. My arguement is that once the crack was released, getting round the the DRM, sales probably increased. Ergo, the DRM did not do it's job. The DRM was irrelent on how many first-week sales there are, ditto how many people pirated it and applied less well working cracks. You're just trying to avoid admitting that you're wrong.

probably increased?
(figures plz)

You're the one arguing that more sales are gained when there's no crack compared to when there's an early crack. You get figures, and then find out that there's none and thus both of us are talking out our arses.

done see above post

Oh, the old R4 article. Remind me, what DS games was Nintendo promoting around the time of that article? What about the recession? Again, it's the "loads of downloads means loads of lost sales" fallacy being wheeled out again. No evidence. I like how you left the publisher quote uncredited.

 

[Delusibeta]

*double post, apologies*

 

[direkiller]

the longer they can keep a game from being crack the more money they can make(my original point in the graph you didn't understand)

As Ubisoft will tell you, this is rubbish.

Did the sale of there game increase after a crack was out?(no sales dropped)

Yes, most likely.

Then the DRM did its job

next time try reading up on a subject(or learn how to read the graph) before you try saying a point is invalid

No it didn't. My arguement is that once the crack was released, getting round the the DRM, sales probably increased. Ergo, the DRM did not do it's job. The DRM was irrelent on how many first-week sales there are, ditto how many people pirated it and applied less well working cracks. You're just trying to avoid admitting that you're wrong.

probably increased?
(figures plz)

You're the one arguing that more sales are gained when there's no crack compared to when there's an early crack. You get figures, and then find out that there's none and thus both of us are talking out our arses.

done see above post

Oh, the old R4 article. Remind me, what DS games was Nintendo promoting around the time of that article? What about the recession? Again, it's the "loads of downloads means loads of lost sales" fallacy being wheeled out again. No evidence. I like how you left the publisher quote uncredited.

No its not a loads of downloads/sales arguemnt

its sales before and after a crack(or in this case a chip) becomes available. IE:what you asked for

 

[thahat]

Honestly, it's piracy.

End of story.

That's like saying, "What's the bigger problem, terrorism, or random airport searches?"

Not saying you can always blame the pirates for what they do, though.

not a good comparrisson. because then you'd be all like terrorists dont get searched, and dont pay for the flight, but normal people do and get searched XD