A third because I don't care. A third because I didn't read all of it. And a third because it was a response to a joke.Danny Ocean said:
White males only scholarship
- Thread starter Brawndo
- Start date
Recommended Videos
White males make up a far higher percentage of jobs requiring a college education than their percentage of the population in general. This is, in part, due to the effect I described before, but it is also caused by fewer black people going to college than their percentage of the population, in most cases caused more by financial need than by lack of talent. The only way to combat this is to increase their available resources and thus give them the ability to attend college if they have the talent to attend one. This fights social inequality.Father Time said:
You are quite correct. Not all whites are empowered, not by a long shot. However, that is not what I meant to imply. It is not that all whites are empowered, but rather that, in effect, only whites, and males in particular, are empowered. You don't need to tell me that poor whites, or poor people in general, are taken advantage of in serious ways. That does not change the fact that, since there are more black people below the poverty line by percentage than whites, helping them to overcome that does help poor people overcome that exploitation.Father Time said:
I think I already covered why endeavoring to exclusively empower a majority ethnic group when they are already far over-represented in this area may be more "fair" if you're talking about this particular piece becoming more colorblind, but it would only exacerbate the unfairness in the rest of society which are not so egalitarian.Father Time said:
I'm not reading the thread - it will only enrage me and give me a headache - but this is stupid. There are quite literally thousands of scholarships out there that do not "discriminate" against such a privileged group as white males (and yes, you are privileged even if you aren't rich!). If you can't find one, you're lazy. Fuck, I won a scholarship a few years ago I didn't even know existed! I didn't even have to apply for it, I won it automatically based on grades and just got the letter and cheque in the mail one day.
So again, this is stupid. And yes, I'm white.
So again, this is stupid. And yes, I'm white.
That last quarter, do you mean that because the scholarship is from Texas or that it's because I am from Texas? Just curious if you are trying to offend me personally or just make an over-generalization about racism in Texas.DeadlyYellow said:
This is the fundamental difference right here.Father Time said:
These ones are about both.Danny Ocean said:
You say that, but I still think it has a huge effect. Obviously other things contribute to racism, but the extent is the key. I think that this contributes to the greatest extent.Danny Ocean said:
I've had countless discussions where people have been unwittingly racist based around this. They go something like this, for example:
"Most crimes are committed by x, therefore x are inherently criminals."
They don't realise that crime stems more from poverty than from race, and they're left with a racist sentiment. Even my above-average dad and above-average peers fall prey to this.
Oh, evil schmeivel.Danny Ocean said:
Don't you try and accuse me of being some evil moral-less aberration. It just makes it look like you've run out of cards to play. There is a moral argument here, but simply accusing the other person of being evil is lazy. You're also assuming that it won't work.
I don't go around saying that people against these kinds of scholarships are evil because they're jeopardizing the possibility of an equal future because of short-term ideological inflexibility. I'd appreciate if you did the same.
Unless, of course, you really do think I'm evil, in which case there's no debate to be had with only one participant.
Anyway, the key difference here is that I think that ends can justify means sometimes, especially when the aggregate disutility here is lower than the potential long-term utility. In other words, a little hurt now for a lot of non-hurt later. Like a vaccine.
I think this is worth quoting for emphasis.BeanDelphiki said:
Nah, it's mostly because I stopped caring about the state's educational system with the conservative textbook reform. Nor am I one to pass up the opportunity to needlessly inflate low comment topics with drivel.Lord_Beric said:
About Damn time,
Everyone gets a scholarship but the poor intelligent white guy, because he doesn't throw a ball and is white, also the only way I can see of balancing out those that don't get scholarships due to affirmative action.
It's not racism it's the truth, scores of highly qualified white males don't get acceptance or scholarships purely because they are white and male, helping the poorest and most highly qualified of that demographic is the only way to balance the downside of affirmative action without changing it to add in exploitable loop holes.
Everyone gets a scholarship but the poor intelligent white guy, because he doesn't throw a ball and is white, also the only way I can see of balancing out those that don't get scholarships due to affirmative action.
It's not racism it's the truth, scores of highly qualified white males don't get acceptance or scholarships purely because they are white and male, helping the poorest and most highly qualified of that demographic is the only way to balance the downside of affirmative action without changing it to add in exploitable loop holes.
I can agree with it because any money that goes to the less fortunate is perfectly welcome in my book, and one cause is as good as any other.
I can't agree with it because I take an instant disliking to anything more passive aggressive than myself, and any organization entitled "Former Majority Association for Equality" is nothing if not laughably passive aggressive.
I can't agree with it because I take an instant disliking to anything more passive aggressive than myself, and any organization entitled "Former Majority Association for Equality" is nothing if not laughably passive aggressive.
It's about damn time. Society gives the least sympathy to white male youth these days. Why? WE didn't cause slavery. WE didn't kill the Indians. That was all our ancestors' deal. If we're to ever move past the past, we need to start putting everybody under the same label: "People". I don't think scholarships based on gender, color, and sexual orientation should even exist. But those aren't going anywhere, so it's nice to see one institution trying to even the field a little bit.
Just because most rich people are white, doesn't mean most white people are rich. There's just as many poor white people these days as there are poor blacks, latinos, gays, lesbians, Mexicans, illegal Mexicans, Asians, orphans, bakers, candlestick makers, Clingons, robots, aliens, time travelers, espers, lions and tigers and bears, oh my. You know what a "redneck" is, right? They didn't just make those up for the sake of Jeff Foxworthy specials. Rednecks are basically poor white people, and there's loads of them.
Where'd you pull THAT one out of? So I suppose I just IMAGINED my current living situation due to my father's inability to work and my mother's death? My whole life has been a lie, and he's actually hiding millions of dollars in a secret underground bunker that I don't know about?LetalisK said:
Just because most rich people are white, doesn't mean most white people are rich. There's just as many poor white people these days as there are poor blacks, latinos, gays, lesbians, Mexicans, illegal Mexicans, Asians, orphans, bakers, candlestick makers, Clingons, robots, aliens, time travelers, espers, lions and tigers and bears, oh my. You know what a "redneck" is, right? They didn't just make those up for the sake of Jeff Foxworthy specials. Rednecks are basically poor white people, and there's loads of them.
That's fair. I would even support them doing that. However, helping poor white males, though obviously necessary for class equality which is the end goal of all such programs, would still do nothing to counter-balance the overwhelming white male majority in the upper echelons of our society. Even making the college fund colorblind would, in part, lower the effectiveness of their work in that area.Father Time said:
I see absolutely no problem with it. If other ethnic groups get their own scholarship, why shouldn't whites? It's only fair. And if minorities have an issue with it, they can choose to drop their scholarships too. Otherwise they're just hypocrites. Sounds like a fantastic program to me.
I think that scholarships that are ethnically-exclusive are wrong in general.
It should be experiences and education that count towards earning a scholarship. Not a random variable.
But if that's the way it is, why shouldn't there be one for white males as well. Like someone mentioned before, without it there wouldn't be equality.
It should be experiences and education that count towards earning a scholarship. Not a random variable.
But if that's the way it is, why shouldn't there be one for white males as well. Like someone mentioned before, without it there wouldn't be equality.
I don't think there should be any racial aid programs, but if there are going to be any, I support this.
