White males only scholarship

[Danny Ocean]

Scholarships are not handed out on a macro scale they are handed out on an individual scale based on the individual's merits.

Yeah, purely merit-based ones are not.

These ones have the added racial qualification to deal with macro issues.

And pretending that poor whites will do fine without scholarships because society favors whites or that statistically they're better off is just ignoring reality.

No one claims that poor people are not poor. That would really be ignoring reality.

What people do claim, however, is that being anything but white is a disadvantage. This is indeed an average, but pointing that out doesn't undermine it. You accept other statistical averages (or other statistical ambiguities) every waking moment without a thought, why not this one?

For example: most people accept that interest rates for young males should be higher, because on average young males are most likely to crash. Similarly, the number of scholarships reserved for minorities should be increased, because minorities are on average more likely to be poor.

 

[irani_che]

you my freinds in Texas, have big, brass balls.

However, you will not see many scholarships for Middle eastern and Asian Students. Why?
We are a Minority but are over represented in Nearly every engineering and medicine post graduate school in the world.
You sort this out, and then you can talk to me about racial scholarships

 

[internetzealot1]

About damn time. I hope the media starts trying to make this out as discriminatory. That would be fun.

 

[F-I-D-O]

Why indignation? I'm not allowed to sign up for half the scholarships out there because I'm not a one-legged, blind, lesbian, aboriginal woman that lives in a 1km radius on the northeast side of town. At least with this one I would have a chance.

Edit: Why not get rid of these kinds of physical restrictions altogether? Make it based on what a person has done. I still wouldn't get any since I don't volunteer enough, but at least someone who deserves it, instead of the guy who only got it because he lives on a boat and has no ears.

Pretty much this.
There are SO MANY scholarships for other minorities/disabilities. Why should there not be one for a white male?
However, I don't understand why colleges don't focus on what someone has done (GPA, volunteering, community service, jail time, jobs, job offers, etc) rather then what someone is. I get wanting to have a diverse campus. I don't get why someone gets money (even white males) for just having x physical characteristic.

 

[Merkavar]

I personally think it's a little unfiar to have it whit men, but that's a WHOLE different can of worms.

women have enough scholarships

 

[Lucas Auraelius]

I have to agree with what these guys are doing. If every other race and gender can get a scholarship, why not white men?

 

[Mr. Eff_v1legacy]

I can't say it's a good thing but if there are college funds for blacks, why can't there be any for whites?
Racism isn't just Nazis and the KKK. Racism is DISCRIMINATION BASED ON RACE, and the same applies to sexism. Giving benefits to one group is discrimination.
College funds should be given based on the of the student, not their ethnicity.

 

[ChromeAlchemist]

Surely they could award scholarships based on individual cases, not race?

Also: since 42% is not the majority, I take it that at least 42.1% of the other people there are of the same race? As opposed to, they're no longer the majority when all the other races are combined (which is a stupid way to measure things - like when people stick the consoles together and then say PC sales are so much lower).

I agree, and I thought the exact same thing about that statistic. People say equality works both ways, but it's fairly fucking stupid to about face the system in an attempt to balance it out. That's like reversing affirmative action; just get rid of it altogether.

Shame on anyone who supports this, or any other scholarships based on race. It's just wrong.

 

[Mcface]

Whites have it rough in this nation. They totally need a leg up to stand on par with the rest of the nation.

I understand you are being sarcastic, but you'd be partially correct in your statement depending where you live. Come to the South some time; I can show you plenty of economically disadvantage white men who could desperately use a scholarship to get out of the cycle of poverty they and their families are trapped in.

Ah. That totally excuses the instutionalisation of racism then. I stand corrected.

Or I'm being sarcastic again because "there are poor whites" doesn't actually address my comment so much, whether taken sarcastically or played straight.

It also doesn't really do much to justify the scholarship. Sounds more like an attempt to justify guilt to me. Maybe I'm wrong, and I'd be happy to give you the benefit of the doubt, but this is a dishonest rationale.

You have obviously never tried to get into college and not be able to afford it.
Average grades in school, no real athletic talent.

there were literally no scholarships for me. I couldn't even afford community college. i would call that pretty disadvantaged wouldn't you? if i was black, there would be a scholarship for me. Shit, if i was any different color there would be.

so just because mommy and daddy can afford for you to be a sarcastic liberal, dosen't mean we all can.

There are scholarships for every color under the rainbow except for white, why? Do people as ignorant as you really think white people don't live out of your suburb?

 

[northeast rower]

I love this. As a white male, there is almost no chance that I will get into Princeton since I need financial aid. However, if more programs like this are implemented, that chance will exist for the future generations.

 

[Danny Ocean]

What people do claim, however, is that being anything but white is a disadvantage. This is indeed an average, but pointing that out doesn't undermine it. You accept other statistical averages (or other statistical ambiguities) every waking moment without a thought, why not this one?

Because assuming all statistics are true because I accept a lot of them is bad logic.

So you're just gonna ignore the rest of that?

I'm asking why you don't accept this one. The question was not rhetorical.

If you want to do a scholarship that targets the poor I don't see why you simply can't just target the poor. Although if you want to do what you're suggesting I think you should at least accept other minorities that can prove they are poor and reject blacks that are not.

Because simply targeting the poor would not ensure the closing of racial gaps. It's pretty obvious to me (as a rich white person) that the vast, vast majority of rich people are not non-white. A proportion that does not fall in line with the proportions of ethnic groups in the general population. The statistics back this up.

At the moment, 90% of rich people are white, while 50% of the population are non-white.[footnote]statistics are made up, but in about the right ballpark, to prove a point.[/footnote] There's clearly a discrepancy here. It's because whites have more opportunities than non-whites, not because of racism, but because of racial inequality. The past shows us that persistent racial inequality leads to genuine racism.[footnote]Poor people are criminals-> ethnic group is poor -> ethnic group are criminals because of their ethnicity. That's the logic.[/footnote] As such, it seems prudent to eliminate racial inequality now to prevent racism later, even if that means employing a little discrimination at the moment.

It's not anti-white, it's pro-non-white. In individual cases this is a zero-sum game sometimes, with whites being turned away when non-white places are available. On a larger scale, though, it's redressing social imbalances to ensure a more equal future.

if i was black, there would be a scholarship for me. Shit, if i was any different color there would be.

Really? Are scholarships aimed at ethnic minorities completely devoid of attainment requirements?

 

[1337mokro]

Why is this a bad thing? I see it as a good thing and possibly a step towards just getting rid of ALL special scholarships and just making one big scholarship program for everyone. Right now your just trying to extinguish one fire by burning down the house next to it. It doesn't solve anything if you just keep on piling measure after measure.

People have become so adversed to racism and so bent on equality that they are forgetting that certain laws or aid programs sacrifice one equality for another.

For example the "you must hire this many women in your company" law. Does that provide equality? No, all it does is put a quota on how many women should be working at a company to avoid a law suit and leads to some companies simply hiring this many women regardless of quality.

You exchanged equality on the work floor by installing a quota to guarantee that women are treated equally. Which they are not, seeing as they have become like water coolers, something you pay money for to have in the office. You created a problem of women becoming, quite literally, commodities and men who have better qualifications, than their female counterparts, being turned away because of the quota that needs to be filled.

Right now some people don't have the access to a reliable source of income for education. A fund for everyone rather than 1000 for every single minority group you could possibly think off. Would do wonders to ensure people that really WANT to study, can do so.

 

[DeadlyYellow]

"It's only racism if you're the majority" more like. Mugabe deporting white people to give away their land in Zimbabwe is racist, too. White or Black, intentionally insuring the supremacy of the majority ethnic group, either through targeted exclusive assistance or obstruction of minorities, is wrong. Assisting an impoverished minority in an attempt to create a more equal society, however, sometimes requires helping a minority that is afforded few other opportunities.

As an example of how black people are still the victims or racial bias in the US, I offer you this: A sociological study performed in the mid-2000s took place by taking four different types of resume` and sending them to different firms to see their response. Two resumes` were for good, well qualifies candidates, and the other two were of more average candidates. On one of the good resumes there would put a generic sounding name like "Robert" or "Linda" and on the other they would put a more ethnic name like "Deshaun" or "Shaniqua." They then did the same to the average resumes and mailed the resumes individually to a firm seeking the same position. On average, the generic named resumes received a call back 50% more often than the ethnic named ones with nearly identical qualifications. This was most extreme in cases where the firms were hiring for high visibility positions such as sales representatives, and least prevalent in positions relating almost exclusively towards skill such as technical support personnel.

Claiming that black people are not at a disadvantage in modern society is disingenuous at best and comparing programs which intentionally try to assist them in overcoming this social bias, though perhaps not fair in and of themselves, still promote greater fairness in our society at large, and thus have a place, imo. A college fund accessible exclusively to the already empowered majority, though empirically similar in operation, is an agent exclusively for the increase in disparity between opportunities afforded between said majority and all other ethnic groups within that society.

You have completely changed my opinion with your largely irrelevant post. Thank you.

 

[Danny Ocean]

You have completely changed my opinion with your largely irrelevant post. Thank you.

It's highly relevant. I don't understand how you can argue that it isn't.

 

[lockeslylcrit]

The United Negro College Fund provides aid to non-black students. The FMAFE is anything but Equality-oriented.

 

[CheckD3]

I ran into this problem a lot when looking for scholarships. I'm a white, Catholic male who's folks make enough money that we're not in serious need of help from the state, but they don't make enough to help me get started and I pay for college out of my own pockets and have to take out loans

There are scholarships everywhere for blacks and women and hispanics, but almost none for males who are white. I honestly feel kinda left out sometimes

If only this was in Ohio...I'm barely able to afford rent, let alone college that isn't community