Why are people upset about no females in Brink, but not COD, Battlefield, or MoH

[ultrachicken]

You know what I'm confused about? Everyone saying that Brink is a generic shooter. The story is very different from other shooters populating the market, and how many other games have you doing parkour from first person? One.

Anyways, it would have been very expensive to make the animations for females, and then reskin every clothing item for the females. They had to choose between lots of customization for males, or less items of clothing but two genders.

 

[mjc0961]

you could play a female character in Battlefield Bad Company 2 (and it doesn't look like there will be females in BF3 either)

Either you can or can't play a female character in Bad Company 2. Pick one and stick with it, please. It's confusing for those of us who haven't played the game when you say both are true.

Anyway, the difference between Brink and those other games is that those games are focusing more on specific characters in their story. Those games also aren't touting customization as a huge feature, either.

I don't see the big deal anyway, though. It's a first person shooter, meaning what you're spending most of your time looking at is a gun and some hands floating in front of your screen. Who cares whether those hands belong to a male or female avatar when you rarely, if ever, see that avatar?

 

[Elamdri]

you could play a female character in Battlefield Bad Company 2 (and it doesn't look like there will be females in BF3 either)

Either you can or can't play a female character in Bad Company 2. Pick one and stick with it, please. It's confusing for those of us who haven't played the game when you say both are true.

Typo sorry, you can't play as female in BF:BC2. I'll fix it.

Anyway, the difference between Brink and those other games is that those games are focusing more on specific characters in their story. Those games also aren't touting customization as a huge feature, either.

And I get that, but even so, the argument still stands that they could have had females in those games as well. And hell, it's NOT just those. What about TF2? Why aren't there female models in TF2? TF2 actually has a fairly big customization system with the hats and guns and whatnot. Why not have a male/female toggle?

I don't see the big deal anyway, though. It's a first person shooter, meaning what you're spending most of your time looking at is a gun and some hands floating in front of your screen. Who cares whether those hands belong to a male or female avatar when you rarely, if ever, see that avatar?

I agree whole heartedly. I don't really care if we HAVE a discussion about sexism or sexual diversity in Brink, it's just that I saw all these people coming out of the wood work to discuss it, and I was just like... "Brink? Really? Of all games, we're choosing to focus on a mediocre letdown like Brink to take a stand on sexual diversity in gaming?"

 

[Elamdri]

no females in cod eh

Putting Sarah Michelle Gellar in one map in one mode of the game does not mean that CoD is open and accepting of female characters in it's character design. Come talk to me when CoD has a "Female" option when I'm creating a loadout for TDM.

 

[Metropocalypse]

I'm more disappointed that such a brilliant concept for a game was wasted on multiplayer.

 

[Audio]

Like in L4D games, I don't mind if i pick Zoey or what's-her-face because when we play first person view, it's all the same. (although being able to look down at my own boobage would be pervisly-awesome)

 

[Nesrie]

I won't even consider these games without female character options anymore. I tolerated it in the 90s. These days, there is no excuse.

 

[steampunk42]

It's so easy to decipher fanboys of a game, I find it funny.

Here's the thing OP. The games you use as examples are military shooters, starring a bunch of special ops guys, soldiers fighting a war and such. Tell me, where, in which mainstream medium, have you seen females as part of a soldier fighting a war? Everything, from movies to documentaries, exemplify the fact that "War is a man's thing".

Now, I'm not saying this i how it is or that this depiction is correct. Just what one takes away from what he sees around him.

Now Brink....well. Not only it's premise is around a freedom force fighting a regime, which many mediums have women take active part in (I'll just mention games, don't want to make it too deep here: Mirror's Edge, Freedom Fighters, Red Faction), but it's marketing seems to revolve a WHOLE LOT around character customization. And character customization with no female option is only char custo. See what I did there? So there you have it.

My Aunt is a MArine who has seen more action than most men....id also but money on her over a male soldeir anyday.....theres yer women in the army punk

 

[Zaik]

The Department of Defense doesn't allow women to serve in a combat role.(in the US only, apparently certain branches of foreign militaries do allow women into those jobs)

Brink is about a civil war inside a fictional ship kajigger that would appear to be the last hospitable place on Earth, from what I can tell without actually playing it. It's a bit of a different situation.

I don't really care myself though. I'd rather a focus be made on the actual gameplay rather than a fictional equality that doesn't exist in real life.

 

[Shaoken]

-sexist snip-

Ignoring your blatant trollness, let's just examine the facts;

* Brink boasted it's full customisation as a major selling point
* Brink doesn't allow female characters
* Every other game that posts full customisation allows female characters
* Ergo, Brink has false advertising.

But no, you have to take these simple facts and turn it into an anti-femnist rant and accusing anyone with a differenting opnion of causing the death of the industry by somehow turning all video game characters into character-less husks.

Yes, video game characters a fictional, thank you for that Captain Obvious. They resemble a role. No one is arguing that. What we are arguing about is that when a developer promises full customisation, they better damn well deliever it. Not how sexist it is that all these games where you take on a pre-defined character doesn't allow you to select gender.

 

[schroing]

From what I've seen, Brink reminds me more of Team Fortress than CoD. I wonder if there's a reason nobody's made that comparison yet.

 

[MercurySteam]

Trust me, the lack of females are the least of your problems when the damn A.I. doesn't work for shit.

 

[squid5580]

-sexist snip-

Ignoring your blatant trollness, let's just examine the facts;

* Brink boasted it's full customisation as a major selling point
* Brink doesn't allow female characters
* Every other game that posts full customisation allows female characters
* Ergo, Brink has false advertising.

But no, you have to take these simple facts and turn it into an anti-femnist rant and accusing anyone with a differenting opnion of causing the death of the industry by somehow turning all video game characters into character-less husks.

Yes, video game characters a fictional, thank you for that Captain Obvious. They resemble a role. No one is arguing that. What we are arguing about is that when a developer promises full customisation, they better damn well deliever it. Not how sexist it is that all these games where you take on a pre-defined character doesn't allow you to select gender.

Neither one is sexist. The lack of female roles in brink or a pre defined character is not sexist. It is only sexist to the conspiracy theorists who want to believe it is. There is no male agenda at work here. It boiled down to simple resources. Would you be happier with a watered down version of a game just so a pair of boobs can be present? Yes but of course saying that is sexist isn't it? Well it would be but since I am a genius I have come up with a solution for games with male leads. I am gonna call it the Mrs Pac Man Initiative. Every game comes with a character model. 1 for each sex. Now they will both look identical except one will have a pink bow on their head. And have the title Mrs. before their name whenever you see it onscreen. So when you plug in Gears of War 3 you will have to choose between Marcus Fenix or Mrs Marcus Fenix (who will have a pink bow on their bandana). Then we can all be happy that there is females to play, developers won't have to waste resources on aesthetics (because that is all it really is) and get to the real heart of the matter. That it doesn't matter what sex, race, species or robot type the character is. It is how well crafted they are is what is going to make or break the experience.

Oh and the next time you care to respond be sure to read what was the response was too. It does help since none of those points was the arguement at hand.

And Brinks character customization was weak all around. Adding female avatars would have only made it that much weaker. But OMG video game marketing lied to us?? Bethesda might have hyped the game??? Next you are gonna tell us you can't believe what is printed on the back of the box either.

Or it could be they chose their words very well. They said characters not male and female characters ergo no lie. You just had higher expectations. Just because other games that boast character customization have both genders usually doesn't mean they all have too.

 

[Canid117]

Because complaining is fun.

 

[Wharrgarble]

Because if you're going to create a game and come out by saying "Hey! We're going to have AMAZING customization options!" and then leave women? That's just asking for complaints.

 

[Elamdri]

From what I've seen, Brink reminds me more of Team Fortress than CoD. I wonder if there's a reason nobody's made that comparison yet.

I actually did a few posts up.

Anyway, the difference between Brink and those other games is that those games are focusing more on specific characters in their story. Those games also aren't touting customization as a huge feature, either.

And I get that, but even so, the argument still stands that they could have had females in those games as well. And hell, it's NOT just those. What about TF2? Why aren't there female models in TF2? TF2 actually has a fairly big customization system with the hats and guns and whatnot. Why not have a male/female toggle?

 

[Indecipherable]

You're posting on an extremely liberal fansite while the majority of the people are just playing the game and really don't care.

 

[Elamdri]

Because if you're going to create a game and come out by saying "Hey! We're going to have AMAZING customization options!" and then leave women? That's just asking for complaints.

You do realize that just leaving women out of the game does not by itself make the game sexist right? My point was that it makes no more sense for women to be in Brink than it does CoD/MoH/BF:BC2. They're all games military conflict, and women don't serve as front-line soldiers.

 

[Elamdri]

You're posting on an extremely liberal fansite while the majority of the people are just playing the game and really don't care.

Honestly, I could just see the Fox News story if they added women in Brink. Hell, I could write Bill O'Reily's script for him.

"Tonight on the Factor, a brutally violent video game allows children to kill women in online matches, more at eleven."

 

[Wharrgarble]

Because if you're going to create a game and come out by saying "Hey! We're going to have AMAZING customization options!" and then leave women? That's just asking for complaints.

You do realize that just leaving women out of the game does not by itself make the game sexist right? My point was that it makes no more sense for women to be in Brink than it does CoD/MoH/BF:BC2. They're all games military conflict, and women don't serve as front-line soldiers.

When did I ever mention "sexism" in my post? This has nothing to do with whether women are allowed to serve on the front lines, my point is simple. For a game to tout customization as one of their major selling points, and then leave out women as an option is just silly.

Even Halo Reach gives you the option to play as a female spartan - because now a days it's expected. More women are playing video games than ever, and whether or not it's "realistic" for women to be fighting, it's becoming the industry standard to have them.

Had they not put such emphasis on their customization ability, this wouldn't even be an issue.