Why do PC gamers get so much hate
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I LIKE the PC gamers that are elitist jaded assholes. It makes it so companies can't dick around the consumer without receiving an incredible amount of flak for it.
As for PC vs. Consoles, I fail to see how the PC is not better than a console. This does not mean I think PC GAMERS are better than console GAMERS, that's just stupid. But I feel the PC as a platform is superior:
-A top tier gaming PC will look way better than any console now-a-days. (No upscaled HD, 60fps always, AA and AF, etc.)
-Multiplayer (except for MMOs) is free, unlike the Xbox.
-Battle.Net 11 years ago I feel was better than Xbox Live is today.
-Dedicated servers allow for lower pings, and one person doesn't gain the host advantage and get to be the guy with 0 ping.
-FPS online multiplayer has had 64 players standard since Battlefield 1942 released in 2002 and some UT 99 servers ran 64 players but it was kind of chaotic.
-I prefer keyboard and mouse (104 buttons + mouse compared to the limits of a controller). However, even if you hate the keyboard you can always just plug any controller (including a 360 controller) into the PC and play with that.
-Consoles have few games that aren't on the PC. The PC on the other hand has the entire indie game scene, a reign over the RTS, point and click adventures (not that there is that many) and point and click action RPGs (like diablo).
-I'm not forced to use a companies system. I feel the voice chat in GFWL is awful, so I can just run a vent server and communicate with that.
-If you don't have a microphone writing text is undeniably faster on the PC with the keyboard.
-This is a minor gripe, but I've seen some people complain that certain games on the 360 and PS3 do not allow use of it's built in music player. On the PC that is never an issue, I can just mute the music in game and play MP3's in the background.
-Active Modding communities are a lot of fun for geeks like me.
-The ONLY downside of a PC is that it's very costly (comparatively) to build and maintain. But using this against the PC is like saying a 7 series BMW is a worse car than a Ford Focus because you can't afford one.
As for PC vs. Consoles, I fail to see how the PC is not better than a console. This does not mean I think PC GAMERS are better than console GAMERS, that's just stupid. But I feel the PC as a platform is superior:
-A top tier gaming PC will look way better than any console now-a-days. (No upscaled HD, 60fps always, AA and AF, etc.)
-Multiplayer (except for MMOs) is free, unlike the Xbox.
-Battle.Net 11 years ago I feel was better than Xbox Live is today.
-Dedicated servers allow for lower pings, and one person doesn't gain the host advantage and get to be the guy with 0 ping.
-FPS online multiplayer has had 64 players standard since Battlefield 1942 released in 2002 and some UT 99 servers ran 64 players but it was kind of chaotic.
-I prefer keyboard and mouse (104 buttons + mouse compared to the limits of a controller). However, even if you hate the keyboard you can always just plug any controller (including a 360 controller) into the PC and play with that.
-Consoles have few games that aren't on the PC. The PC on the other hand has the entire indie game scene, a reign over the RTS, point and click adventures (not that there is that many) and point and click action RPGs (like diablo).
-I'm not forced to use a companies system. I feel the voice chat in GFWL is awful, so I can just run a vent server and communicate with that.
-If you don't have a microphone writing text is undeniably faster on the PC with the keyboard.
-This is a minor gripe, but I've seen some people complain that certain games on the 360 and PS3 do not allow use of it's built in music player. On the PC that is never an issue, I can just mute the music in game and play MP3's in the background.
-Active Modding communities are a lot of fun for geeks like me.
-The ONLY downside of a PC is that it's very costly (comparatively) to build and maintain. But using this against the PC is like saying a 7 series BMW is a worse car than a Ford Focus because you can't afford one.
most hard core P.C gamers build there own p.c.
they putten love into there machine so it can run crysis
Split screen games like rockband, COD and tekken are great for console to play with friends.
online gaming is, and always have been best on the P.C in my opinion
(PS i am a vanilla socom I $ & II player, i have yet to see a console game beat that online game play expiration on a console)
they putten love into there machine so it can run crysis
Split screen games like rockband, COD and tekken are great for console to play with friends.
online gaming is, and always have been best on the P.C in my opinion
(PS i am a vanilla socom I $ & II player, i have yet to see a console game beat that online game play expiration on a console)
As much as I'm a PC gamer, I'm going to have to disagree. Having seperate devices for seperate functions is not bad; it makes the 360 reliable and cognitive. On a development standpoint, designing for the potentially infinite combination of hardware people will have is sometimes just monumentally difficult. Also, $500 is kind of a lot compared to the X-box's $200. Yes, you can just upgrade internal components, but that doesn't sit well with everyone who's not hardware-inclined.ZippyDSMlee said:
You kinda shot yourself in the foot at the end. Putting WORK into something to play games with doesn't make sense when you think about it. A lot of people just want to relax and don't have much time to spend tuning their PC.
That said, that only means there's a large audience PCs just don't fit with. I'm a PC-exclusive gamer, and proud of it.
I just want everyone to get along! I do both but prefer PC gaming but that does not make me a elitist ! Just because I say something that could be insulting to consoles E.G RTS are better
on PCs (Which they are!) I Think that they should give the PC gamers what we always had (Modding,Dedcated severs) and the consols what they have .
on PCs (Which they are!) I Think that they should give the PC gamers what we always had (Modding,Dedcated severs) and the consols what they have .
Its the same amount of work to up keep your car and keep maintenance prices down by being able to replace the battery, alternator, belts,wires,sparkplugs,oil,ect,ect yourself some people are able to handle it without it being work and some not so much.Katana314 said:
But ya while one can handle it and it be superior in most things...having something easier to mess with with more software options makes consoles better for most people and if they ever got over themselves and added more control options I'd be a happy modern console player myself...
I wouldn't say greedy or elitist, but I do have a PC gamer best friend who rips on me for being a console gamer because I rely on a controller and limited technology to process my games.
PC's are generally more powerful and can allow change to how games are played. They are generally more expensive, if you do not include the moniter(Including the moniter would mean including the TV when buying a console). PC gamers expect a level of quality when purchasing games. Features that have previously been taken for granted, such as dedicated servers, are unavailable on consoles for a myriad of reasons.
Consoles are a simpler and far more casual way of gaming. The beauty of the system is the everything just works.
As for why PC gamers get so much hate, it is probably a mix of jealousy and disdain for elitism.
What annoys me the most about the "dedicated server" issue and the insueing rage, is the reaction of console gamers. Many times I found the same response which generally can be summed up as "HA! Now your on our level". This attitude was selfing and outright stupid, as rather than mocking others for being brought down to inferior technology, they should have been trying to get themselves on the higher level of technology.
/rant
Consoles are a simpler and far more casual way of gaming. The beauty of the system is the everything just works.
As for why PC gamers get so much hate, it is probably a mix of jealousy and disdain for elitism.
What annoys me the most about the "dedicated server" issue and the insueing rage, is the reaction of console gamers. Many times I found the same response which generally can be summed up as "HA! Now your on our level". This attitude was selfing and outright stupid, as rather than mocking others for being brought down to inferior technology, they should have been trying to get themselves on the higher level of technology.
/rant
I can try listing what I found in it that was poorly done.
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Weapons
Weapon ranges,ammo, damage,ect are all over the place the pacing on the weapons themselves is poor you need a generic level like whats in the game then 2 more levels of weapons where the weapon say the 10MM Pistol has the generic rusty version, restored version that is more accurate and dose more damage and a customized version that is even more so then of coarse after this the unique weapons that only have one version of in the game. The melee weapons are also poor there needs to be a better version of each and they all should have more tweaked reaches and damages,ect.
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Toolbench
The whole have blue print you can make stuff is nice but like the magic pot on DQ7 you can only make 10 things with it there's no real customization you should be able to get alot more out of it and make 2 or 3 versions of the weapons you build with new blue prints of coarse.
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Equipment/items
Like the weapons very very under utilized you simply need 2 or 3 types of each and be able to stack some of them, as well as build and tweak them on the toolbench.
Oh gawd how they under did jet..it should be a slow time+ speed modifier and vat point tippler.... other stuff is under done and poorly done as well....
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Radiation
Radiation only effects the player its not a mechanic the whole game uses its just something for the AI/items/enviroment to use against the player. And because of that another fasit of the game is shallow and craptastic.
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Vats
Ranges, points used its all just crap rushed there's no polish or refinement its a stale bone they threw at older FO fans....
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Skills/EXP
Being limited to 100 for one them going up a bit to quickly for 2. Past 100 you should be able to raise them at a 10 to 1 ratio with a cap of 30 skill points a level, and levels continue forever they just get farer and fewer between, at lvl 30 you need to gain all the EXP you needed to get to 30 to get to 31 and the same for 32. or something like that the way they did it purely sucks.
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Perks
I wish they had a perk where you can add 5 levels to your level for the perpouse of getting preks...but thats pretty much it... I think.
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Level design
Its a bit bland for the size of it they did a good job at hiding things I guess over all it has better level layout than any other shooter. Still its a minor annoyance the invisi walls and stuff...
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Basically items+ gameplay is solid for 5-10 hours then falls apart like crazy because they were to busy wanking off on the the DLC.
And this is more or less true of Bioshock only add in its short and easy....
Fire Daemon you really need to re read the definition of elitism and then go figure out what the difference between special and standard is. Expecting standard functionality to be present in a product is not elitism because such functionality is not special. Nor is the PC special, by definition it is different. If people were to abuse the definition of elitism as you have, they could argue that people who ask for larger stalls in bathrooms so that they can fit their wheelchairs in are being elitist because they require different functionality due to their disabilities.