Why do we hate Justin Beiber?

[BonsaiK]

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You can't be seriously comparing Justin Beieber to some of the greatest artists of all time. We aren't talking about him doing something insane, this is about simple manners. It doesn't matter how famous or powerful you are it is wrong to swear at someone when they are simply trying to do their job and when you mess up you apologise like any decent person would. It is the fact that he not only swore for next to no reason but that he also denies it that makes him arrogant. As far as I'm concerned he is a spoilt brat who doesn't deserve the amount of fame he has.

Gosh, a 16 year old kid swears for no reason. And then denies it. Gee, never seen that before. I'm betting, if we're really being 100% honest here, that that's one thing he's got in common with me, you and everybody else reading this who is age 16 or over.

 

[firefly000]

he pretty much summarises what is wrong with the mainstream music industry atm. cheesy generic music, personality of a rock, etc.

It's not Bieber we hate, it's what he represents; the complete generic collapse of music, because he made it big the charts will now be flooded with copy cat artists who bring nothing to music and this stops actual talent from other genres of music (i.e metal) from getting a chance at a wider audience.

People said exactly the same thing about Elvis Presley when he came out with his first hits.

I speak as someone who makes a living performing and creating music. He's hated partly because of all the facts like he is a kid, looks like a girl etc but for someone like me the main reason is, people like him are the reason the music industry sucks. Although music and it's enjoyment is completely unique to the individual, watching someone like Justin Beiber who actually does not have musical talent or skills annoys a large portion of the population.

Have you heard his songs? He dosent actually have a good voice so he requires auto-tune, also the other underlying parts are just repeated sounds that are simple and could be made in less than a minute using today's tools. Frankly I think he dosent really deserve the money he gets, but I suppose that's just me raging.

As someone who makes a living performing and creating music, you know that you're raging because you're jealous and what you're saying really isn't true.

He doesn't need Autotune, he's using it because it's popular. Same reason most of the big artists are using it right now. Here's him singing without any electronic help at all:


Sure, the song's only two chords, but then so is this song:


Simple doesn't automatically mean bad. Sometimes getting straight to the point is preferable to beating around the bush.

While I understand your point completely, I'd like to nitpick. I never said simple was "bad" I just said he is untalented in comparison to most musicians out there who make crap all.
Some people work hard on their music, I'm sure Beiber dosent even write his songs.

 

[Astoria]

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You can't be seriously comparing Justin Beieber to some of the greatest artists of all time. We aren't talking about him doing something insane, this is about simple manners. It doesn't matter how famous or powerful you are it is wrong to swear at someone when they are simply trying to do their job and when you mess up you apologise like any decent person would. It is the fact that he not only swore for next to no reason but that he also denies it that makes him arrogant. As far as I'm concerned he is a spoilt brat who doesn't deserve the amount of fame he has.

Gosh, a 16 year old kid swears for no reason. And then denies it. Gee, never seen that before. I'm betting, if we're really being 100% honest here, that that's one thing he's got in common with me, you and everybody else reading this who is age 16 or over.

By age 16 he should be mature enough to realise that when you screw up you apologise. Hell, I've known that since I was 12.

 

[Dark2003]

I dont like it when barely talented individuals contribute with the trash that pumped into my ears on random occasions and at random locations, he fits this bill to the F****** letter

 

[BonsaiK]

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My general point is, you did to intentionally polarise your audience. Him, being who he is, wouldn't want his audience polarised. He'd want everyone as a fan. And saying "Don't fucking touch me!" to a stranger isn't what you do when you want good publicity. Which he no doubt does.

I agree. And yes, that's why him and his publicity machine is now lying about it.

So he fucked up. Big deal. He's 16. I sure did a lot of stupid shit when I was 16, the only difference was there wasn't a media machine to record all my dumb shit and relay it to a world of haters who don't even personally know me all lining up to take a dump on my ass.

I'm not lining up to take a dump on his ass. I'm simply stating one of the reasons why I dislike him, which is what this thread is for.

Well that's true. The fact is though, that you don't know him, so why bother hating him. Why even waste the energy? I've got my hands full hating various douchebags I have deal with who actually affect my real life in a negative way, I don't have extra hatred allowance for some kid less than half my age who has a record out who I don't even know. Hatred is a valuable thing, it's a gift - you should save it for the targets that are truly worthy. Don't squander it on something that doesn't even affect you.

 

[Bernzz]

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Y'see, I'm not using up time/energy hating him. He's simply a celebrity I dislike. I don't use time/energy disliking any other celebrity. I just dislike them, and whenever they occur to me for whatever reason, my brain recognises that I dislike them.

I certainly don't sit around plotting his violent, painful death all day, if that's what you're saying.

 

[BonsaiK]

While I understand your point completely, I'd like to nitpick. I never said simple was "bad" I just said he is untalented in comparison to most musicians out there who make crap all.
Some people work hard on their music, I'm sure Beiber dosent even write his songs.

He's not untalented compared to most 16 year olds in music, that's for damn sure. To be honest I'm no great fan of his music or his general attitude but anyone who thinks he isn't that talented is either in denial or just not paying attention.


Check out the very first scene, the drumming on the chair. How fucking young is he? Fuuuuuck! The kid is a fucking natural. You have to work in music teaching to realise and appreciate just how truly freakazoid rare that is, if I had seen that home video footage I would have locked him into a ten-album deal right there and then.

 

[Jekken6]

Because people keep making threads about it. Guys, give it a fucking rest. I still think we need to be able to sage threads like these.

 

[Phantomess]

I found it rather amusing that he refused to perform to a crowd in Sydney when it was apparently too large. I recall Pitt Street Mall being shut down when Backstreet Boys were here in 2000 (forgive me my sins - I was a teeny-bopper in my youth and BSB will always hold a special place with me). I also grew up listening to Aaron Carter, so I've had my fill of untalented little boys, thanks ever so much. I'll take my Bon Jovi, Goo Goo Dolls, Toto and Matchbox Twenty and go elsewhere.

Why I particularly hate the squeaky toy? He has needless fame. He's not particularly talented and I'm not even certain he writes his own music. Having a chorus that almost totally consists of the word 'baby' is not talent, it's stupid. His voice is aggravating and he's far too young. Bieber, go have your childhood - get some life experience and write about it. Come back to us when you can put it to music.

 

[SL33TBL1ND]

Because he actually is an asshole. I'm not kidding, the guy really is a dick.

 

[firefly000]

While I understand your point completely, I'd like to nitpick. I never said simple was "bad" I just said he is untalented in comparison to most musicians out there who make crap all.
Some people work hard on their music, I'm sure Beiber dosent even write his songs.

He's not untalented compared to most 16 year olds in music, that's for damn sure. To be honest I'm no great fan of his music or his general attitude but anyone who thinks he isn't that talented is either in denial or just not paying attention.
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Check out the very first scene, the drumming on the chair. How fucking young is he? Fuuuuuck! The kid is a fucking natural. You have to work in music teaching to realise and appreciate just how truly freakazoid rare that is, if I had seen that home video footage I would have locked him into a ten-album deal right there and then.

Music is subjective. I understand your points, but I still believe he isn't as talented as he is made out to be. His music is simple BUT as you've pointed out simple isnt always bad which is fair enough. But if a man shows me how he turned a rock into a digging tool, I would not be impressed. Although such a feat may have been impressive along time ago. Nothing more to add.

 

[Versago]

It's the classic case of a singer's lyrics & voice bieng worthless, but somehow they became astoundingly famous.
People hate him because the fame is undeserved.

 

[MasTerHacK]

He's obnoxious about his fame, and only got there through luck. That's the most likely cause as far as I can see.

Or you could blame modern cultures. Many of us are parts of cultures that have reason to be against him on some level or another. Not 'Kill the heretic!' against him, but a subtle, subconscious-influence kind of against him. Then again, that's true for most celebrities, so it's probably mostly the first thing.

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Also he's what 14?

He's 16, not that it makes much difference.

A drunk cat being devoured by an elephant on LSD could sing better than him. Auto-tone just makes him sound like a smaller kid. C'mon dude, isn't it time you hit puberty?! I hit puberty when I was 12 (I'm a guy). There are thousands of people with more talent than him, but what happens to them; they don't have the means of exposure to the public; they aren't mainstream; they aren't "family friendly". I'd rather listen to grindcore than to Justin Bieber. At least grindcore has a message, like: "You shouldn't gargle infected semen." The song doesn't have to have lyrics, it has to have quality, and that is something he clearly lacks.

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My general point is, you did to intentionally polarise your audience. Him, being who he is, wouldn't want his audience polarised. He'd want everyone as a fan. And saying "Don't fucking touch me!" to a stranger isn't what you do when you want good publicity. Which he no doubt does.

I agree. And yes, that's why him and his publicity machine is now lying about it.

So he fucked up. Big deal. He's 16. I sure did a lot of stupid shit when I was 16, the only difference was there wasn't a media machine to record all my dumb shit and relay it to a world of haters who don't even personally know me all lining up to take a dump on my ass.

I'm not lining up to take a dump on his ass. I'm simply stating one of the reasons why I dislike him, which is what this thread is for.

Well that's true. The fact is though, that you don't know him, so why bother hating him. Why even waste the energy? I've got my hands full hating various douchebags I have deal with who actually affect my real life in a negative way, I don't have extra hatred allowance for some kid less than half my age who has a record out who I don't even know. Hatred is a valuable thing, it's a gift - you should save it for the targets that are truly worthy. Don't squander it on something that doesn't even affect you.

It does affect me, it stops me from spreading my music. I am seen as an idiot because I don't listen to mainstream music, because I listen to metal or psychedelic rock I'm seen as a lunatic in our modern society, a society who has advances in technology but is degrading in the sense of worth, spiritual worth (not really spiritual, just can't remember the right word). Now, it also stops me from getting smart pussy, not the idiots that don't even know who Pink Floyd is!

 

[neoontime]

But I don't hate him and besides, hating Justin Bieber is what's in now anyways.

 

[havass]

Frankly, I don't really hate Justin Bieber himself, but his fanbase can go drown in a bag of honey and thrown off a building into a pit full of ants for all I care.

I do dislike the fact that he got where he is today because he got lucky, though. So many other talented people out there, and this sixteen year old is offsetting all of them. Most of the bands that are mainstream now started playing in clubs and bars first. The little twat just posted a video on Youtube.

 

[MikeOfThunder]

He's untalented, never suffered for his art, doesn't know that he is in WAY over his head, thinks he's better than he really is, has no charisma, is generally unlikable, had a career handed to him on silver platter, and has a high annoying voice for singing bland uninteresting music.
I think that was the longest I've ever typed about him without going into a long incoherent mess of insults.
and this video makes me happy
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HOORAY FOR AFTER-EFFECTS!

Holy shit! I literally just laughed myself to tears on that video. That is so funny, at first i felt a little bad that he got hit but when the explosion went off... hahaha!!

 

[ninjapenguin981]

He's got an annoying voice, his songs are whiny unoriginal crap, and his fan girls: oh my god.

 

[Blitzwarp]

I was indifferent until he compared himself to Kurt Cobain. Now I hate him, if only because he thinks his poptastic crap is in the same league as Nirvana. -.-

 

[the Dept of Science]

The thing is, stories of undeserved success are as old as time. I don't see Justin Bieber as any worse than pretty much any of the other undeservedly popular people in the world.
More than that, he seems to be a pretty decent singer and dancer and concerning his personality, despite being a bit of an idiot, he seems to be fairly pleasant. Considering that he is 16 and going through his most hormonal period under near constant supervision, the one or two slip ups I've heard about are pretty negligable.

The real thing is, it seems to be a massive case of much ado about nothing. I come from England, where he is, admittedly, a lot less popular than in America. If I didn't go on this forum, then I would have barely any idea who Justin Bieber was. Whenever music seems to be discussed here, he always seems to be the butt of some joke or some yardstick for bad music. While I'm certainly not rushing out to buy his albums, there are definately worse musicians, more deserving of hate than he is.
When you look at it, we're just a bunch of gaming nerds, sitting at our computers, hating on a fairly talented, fairly pleasant 16 year old kid, who was lucky enough to get famous.