Cheeze_Pavilion said:
cleverlymadeup said:
now where the diversity comes from is that every punk band out there can be called a clone of one of the founding members of the punk movement.
That's because the founding members of the punk movement were so diverse. You've got the Ramones sounding like the Beach Boys, you've got Husker Du sounding more like metal than their fellow Minneapolis punks The Replacements, you've got The Pogues and The Mekons sounding like folk while The Misfits mined classic rock'n'roll, you've got art school bands like Wire and Talking Heads...
Of course everything sounds like a clone if you want to take a dim view of it--when you've got basically everything in the mix from the beginning, well, what do you expect?
but that's my point, it started off being something diverse and different but never changed since then, so really it's not that diverse beyond the first generation. so really it's not that diverse anymore. punk had potential but it died out
i'm not confusing it, bands like Throbbing Gristle and Kraftwerk were the outisders at the time, they were making a whole new genre of music and were and frankly still are misunderstood
I didn't say they weren't, I'm just saying you don't have to look outside punk to them to find what would be called outsider art. And like I said--just because it's outsider art doesn't mean it's misunderstood. That's what you keep confusing.
i'm not confusing it, the issue is with stuff like the RiotGrrl movement is they are more self proclaimed outsiders, they were part of it but just liked to label themselves as outsiders and frankly feminists aren't really outsiders
having an outsider art group in punk is an oxymoron really, since that's the whole point of genre
as for bagpipes, most people don't know any bagpipe songs and frankly most pipers aren't very good at suggesting one, so people only ask for what they know
That has nothing to do with my point.
well most metal fans i know tend to also on some level enjoy other forms of music beyond metal. i've known more than one that enjoy the industrial genre and more particularly the EBM sub-genre of industrial, which is mostly all electronic
take a look at tool when they play, usually they give all the musicians a bit of a solo during the show and really the pit doesn't grind to a halt but everyone else will sit and watch and then go nuts after they finish playing or hitting a great rift
Like I said--grinding to a halt from my perspective. Different experience from yours. I can certainly appreciate it--and if we're talking about Tool, we're talking about a band I personally think is incredible--but, I'm not going to go anymore nuts after it than I will after a great piece of classical music.
Not to mention--Tool sounds at home in the alternative music genre as well as metal, like how Motorhead always kinda fit in with the punk sound.
Tool is more of a prog rock or prog metal band, actually they are exactly that and always will be, also why a lot of people don't overly get them or think they are rather odd in concert
as for Motorhead, they are one of the first thrash bands and/or speed metal bands and always have been.
incidently i might go see tool and i'm going to see motorhead this year
