I could not agree with you more my friend. They really seem to clog up the off-topic session and I just sit there and think, "Why?"xmetatr0nx said:There are way too many metal threads on the escapist.
I could not agree with you more my friend. They really seem to clog up the off-topic session and I just sit there and think, "Why?"xmetatr0nx said:There are way too many metal threads on the escapist.
cball11 said:Akai Shizuku said:I don't think the Maori people are much less civilized than where most of us come from; actually, they may be more so. But that's besides the point. There is no delusion. People wonder why metal fans are so hardcore about their genre and so devoted...it's because of the passion and the realism in the music, even if the subject matter is about zombies tearing a victim apart. There's passion in the music, and even in the most harsh screams of hatred you can detect a love for what's taking place here. You don't find that, any of that, in mainstream music. Just turn on the radio and your ears will be assaulted by men going on about hookers, guns, money and cars, with the occasional generic emo boy ranting on about how bad his life is when he lives in a suburb or whatever. Give me a break.cball11 said:I don't like metal. If you were to compare music to martial artists, heavy metal would be a warrior of the Maori tribes. It is harsh, brutal, angry, mad, and utterly uncivilized. It may very well be effective at accomplishing what it set out to do, but only people who delude themselves could consider it a joy to spectate at its performance. Take these opinions as simply that: opinions.
Have you seen what a Maori looks like when he's trying to kill someone? Did you know they used to eat the flesh of their downed enemies? Before they were dead? More civilized?
"passion and the realism ..... zombies tearing a victim apart." That being in a single sentence speaks for itself.
If heavy metal strives only to compete against 21st century mainstream music, than it definitely isn't as hard as it thinks it is.
Sorry my friend, you have refuted nothing, and have further cemented my thoughts.
I like you.cball11 said:I already covered the fact that Metal has its own purposes and fulfills them quite nicely, meaning YOU agree with ME. YOU juxtaposed metal with mainstream media. And, by the way, thank you for declaring yourself a biased fanboy so I wouldn't have to go to the trouble myself.
What, then, do you prefer? What music is it that you find to be so much better?Marbas said:Maybe not now, but eventually. Or, you can market it as Avant-garde metal and be a little unconventional with song structure.You cannot replicate the sound of a guitar being skillfully played by using a computer. You can sample someone playing it or have a digital sounding MIDI voice make noise vaguely resembling a guitar.
That is not what the person I linked is doing. For one thing, he builds his own...noisemakers. There are also no drums involved. Secondly, please provide actual evidence instead of just saying you are qualified to make that judgment call.As someone who has played guitar and piano for years and produces albums of many different genres for a living, I think I am somewhat qualified to opine that becoming proficient at metal requires a lot more musical talent and skill than learning to program loops in Reason and putting a distortion effect and some noise filters onto some drum samples, as the person in that link you posted is doing.
Prove it.more complex but it's often of much higher energy and is generally more passionate than most other music.
What I'm saying to both of you boils down to this, prove it. All you're doing is grandstanding.
As for complexity, it isn't that important, Noise, as a genre completely unbound by musical convention, has the most complex songs of any genre in the world because there are no rules. As such, it can be as complex or minimal as it likes. That doesn't mean the more complex songs are better or have anything better about them. Complexity is not its' own reward.
I don't find any music to be better, but I do find music I like more. Anyways, I've already stated what I like in this thread. Noise, Industrial, Power Electronics, and Dark Ambient. This is why I'm getting annoyed. People are claiming their genre of choice takes more inherent skill and talent to perform than others, which is just flat out ridiculous.Artemis923 said:What, then, do you prefer? What music is it that you find to be so much better?Marbas said:Maybe not now, but eventually. Or, you can market it as Avant-garde metal and be a little unconventional with song structure.You cannot replicate the sound of a guitar being skillfully played by using a computer. You can sample someone playing it or have a digital sounding MIDI voice make noise vaguely resembling a guitar.
That is not what the person I linked is doing. For one thing, he builds his own...noisemakers. There are also no drums involved. Secondly, please provide actual evidence instead of just saying you are qualified to make that judgment call.As someone who has played guitar and piano for years and produces albums of many different genres for a living, I think I am somewhat qualified to opine that becoming proficient at metal requires a lot more musical talent and skill than learning to program loops in Reason and putting a distortion effect and some noise filters onto some drum samples, as the person in that link you posted is doing.
Prove it.more complex but it's often of much higher energy and is generally more passionate than most other music.
What I'm saying to both of you boils down to this, prove it. All you're doing is grandstanding.
As for complexity, it isn't that important, Noise, as a genre completely unbound by musical convention, has the most complex songs of any genre in the world because there are no rules. As such, it can be as complex or minimal as it likes. That doesn't mean the more complex songs are better or have anything better about them. Complexity is not its' own reward.
My point was that death metal took talent in the first place, not that it took more talent than other genres.Marbas said:I don't find any music to be better, but I do find music I like more. Anyways, I've already stated what I like in this thread. Noise, Industrial, Power Electronics, and Dark Ambient. This is why I'm getting annoyed. People are claiming their genre of choice takes more inherent skill and talent to perform than others, which is just flat out ridiculous.Artemis923 said:What, then, do you prefer? What music is it that you find to be so much better?Marbas said:Maybe not now, but eventually. Or, you can market it as Avant-garde metal and be a little unconventional with song structure.You cannot replicate the sound of a guitar being skillfully played by using a computer. You can sample someone playing it or have a digital sounding MIDI voice make noise vaguely resembling a guitar.
That is not what the person I linked is doing. For one thing, he builds his own...noisemakers. There are also no drums involved. Secondly, please provide actual evidence instead of just saying you are qualified to make that judgment call.As someone who has played guitar and piano for years and produces albums of many different genres for a living, I think I am somewhat qualified to opine that becoming proficient at metal requires a lot more musical talent and skill than learning to program loops in Reason and putting a distortion effect and some noise filters onto some drum samples, as the person in that link you posted is doing.
Prove it.more complex but it's often of much higher energy and is generally more passionate than most other music.
What I'm saying to both of you boils down to this, prove it. All you're doing is grandstanding.
As for complexity, it isn't that important, Noise, as a genre completely unbound by musical convention, has the most complex songs of any genre in the world because there are no rules. As such, it can be as complex or minimal as it likes. That doesn't mean the more complex songs are better or have anything better about them. Complexity is not its' own reward.
I never said anything about you.My point was that death metal took talent in the first place, not that it took more talent than other genres.
My mistake then. XDMarbas said:I never said anything about you.My point was that death metal took talent in the first place, not that it took more talent than other genres.
But any musical genre worth its' salt takes a lot of talent. That's why we admire performers.
Aren't all genres expanding? If you compare anything from jazz to hip hop that is being produced today, to what was being produced, say, twenty years ago, you will hear major differences. Jazz has moved from things like Acid and Afro-Cuban jazz in the eighties to the rise in popularity of Smooth Jazz in the 1990s and 2000s. East Coast hip hop, with an emphasis in lyrical dexterity was commmon in the eighties, and has inspired the expansion of the genre into the West Coast, and into the South with crunk. What about metal is more "ever expanding" than other genres?Dommyboy said:Because it's an ever expanding genre. Pretty simple reason in a way.
I play COD waw to a playlist of specially selected ska songs. . .xmetatr0nx said:Because there is a lot of pent up anger in gamers? I honestly have no idea, i guess with the action packed games there needs to be action packed songs to pump you up. Imagine playing CoD WaW to some poppy tunes...
There are way too many metal threads on the escapist.
Crystal Castles! They are amongst the wickedest-sickest bands around!FightThePower said:Now I'll be honest and say I don't really like Metal, but I've noticed that for some reason on every internet gaming forum I go on or look at, Metal is by a country mile the most popular music genre, and this place is no exception. Despite my general dislike of the genre, it doesn't make me angry - just curious (after all, music taste is subjective).
Metal isn't dominating the radio stations, so why is this the case? I don't want to attribute all gamers to one taste because that's ignorant; since I know next to nothing about Metal I'd like to know what characteristics of the genre appeal to you and what, if any, connection do you see to the fact you're a gamer? Is there a connection or is it just a massive coincidence and I don't visit enough forums?
I always thought being gamers would make people more inclined to like electronic/8-bit music like the video below so I find this quite interesting.