10 year old girl Rapes 4 year old boy

[Tanakh]

But it's not the most probable case. IF there's a 50%+ chance she's not menstruating and not feeling sexual pleasure from it then it's not most likely she did it for sexual pleasure.

Ahh.. kk... i get it, you must also think throwing a D10 the most probable case isn't getting a 1 with 10% chance but not getting a 1 with 90%, even though in the context it's clear that I am dividing the complement of the universe minus the mentioned case in different events...

Almost sure if you are not familiar with talking about probabilities, then you would see it's relative to the universe of probabilities when i say "the most probable" and doesn't need to be 50% or more.

 

[Caiphus]

Disastrous happenings.

In any case, there probably is something up with the girl if she's doing this. I was playing doctor at the age of 8. But I wasn't doing it with 4 year olds. But whatever. The case calls for strong parenting.

Anyway, sexaul assault charges aren't going to help anyone. The girl probably didn't really know what she was doing. Why throw the book at her?

I dunno. It's a shame. I hope the boy isn't distressed by this. The weird article doesn't really give a lot of information.

And I'd be saying this if it was a 10 year old boy. In fact I'd be more likely to say it if it was a 10 year old boy; less likely to have gone through puberty then. Which I see the people above me are fervently discussing. Yeah!

 

[Tanakh]

Almost sure you're confusing knowing stuff that I too know with a pass for butchering it all by only considering irrelevant details on the cases you don't favor.

Not all details are relevant. For instance where she was standing or sitting. If you want to can make two cases out of that, but that does not mean that it would make sense to do so. And unless it was a case of bullying I do not see where there are other relevant cases besides "Curiosity" and "Sexual pleasure"

Again, it was just my opinion, posted that a long time ago, I consider the details that are relevant for me. Maybe it's just because have seen a lot of violence, but I can imagine some scenarios where she did it for neither curiosity nor sexual pleasure.

Glad you posted the universe of possibilities you have, it is NOT the same as mine.

 

[Tanakh]

Right and to cover for the nonsense that you're posting you won't state what's relevant besides the 3 possibilities I listed.

Sigh, fine brah, your opinion on a case we barely have info about is the right one, mine is nonsense. Everything you hadn't thought of is of course irrelevant.

 

[asinann]

Misleading title is misleading...



What do you do to a curious little girl? Charge her with sexual assault is what you do! That's sure to alleviate the issue with the least amount of stress on the child.

I'm not saying what she did was right, she should certainly be punished, but it should be in way she can understand and one that doesn't scar her for life.

This.

What she did was inappropriate but she was 9 years old, I seriously doubt it was sexually motivated or for the purposes of sexual gratification. She probably didnt understand the full implication of what she was actually doing.

She should be taught what is and isn't appropriate but inappropriate touching during a game of doctors doesn't really strike me as "aggravated sexual assault".

Edit: Given that this is the Escapist. Yes, I would think the same if it was a 9 year old boy.

Unfortunately the law does not agree with you, I was in foster care with plenty of people who were in similar situations and could not go home because they were now level 3 registered sex offenders.

 

[Tanakh]

It's nice how you imply you mean the opposite, yet of course don't come up with any other relevant ones.

I imply nothing, sorry if you read it that way. Honestly would rather concede all your points that keep this up :3

 

[Darks63]

and now imagine a 10 and a half years old girl with a huge ammount of prison tattoos over her body bench pressing and smoking in a fenced off area.

http://memeorama.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/aww-shit-america-gif.gif


Ashley's Mother also says the Houston Police sex crimes investigator didn't allow her to sit in on the questioning of her daughter. She says a 45 minute long interrogation that left her 10 year old in tears.

yeah.

thats just a big dick move.

Its more than a dick move. Its illegal, you can't question a minor without a guardian or child welfare specialist/attorney in the room. They not old enough to understand their rights and hence need a representative to look out for their welfare.

 

[Bara_no_Hime]

Misleading title is misleading...
What do you do to a curious little girl? Charge her with sexual assault is what you do! That's sure to alleviate the issue with the least amount of stress on the child.
I'm not saying what she did was right, she should certainly be punished, but it should be in way she can understand and one that doesn't scar her for life.

Quoted for Truth.

Seriously, what the hell is wrong with people? That girl had no idea that what she was doing was wrong. Don't punish her like an adult for doing something stupid and almost entirely harmless.

Ugh. The news today is just... ugh.

**goes to play more Saints Row 4 to cleanse pallet**

 

[runic knight]

I was going to get upset and pissed off for the entire way this was handled.
Then I read it was in texas and I realized it was pointless to. It really is. In a state as conservative in nature and gung-ho in law enforcement, this seems like something you'd expect even. Add in the relation to something sexual in nature and seeing them react like the 10 year old was a hardened crack dealer doesn't surprise me at all.

So all I can muster is a deep sadness and disappointment. Just, more of the same I feel about a state that seems hell bent at bringing down the rest of the nation.

 

[Guffe]

Wait, can you even charge a 9 year old?
At least in Sweden you have to be 15 to be charged with anything.

Same in Finland
If under 15 it will become a case for the "SocialBuerau" (not sure what the real English term is) who take care of minor cases. They are in contact with the parents and if need be contact doctors and psychatrists to evaluate the health of the child.
So yeah... not sure what to say on this one.
A child interested in the fact that the other gender has something she doesn't and gets curious.

 

[EllieJelly]

I'm not seeing the evidence that most girls start it by 9. In fact a quick look at wiki says if it starts before that recent sources say it should be investigated(while older one say before 10). So right on the borderline doesn't seem very likely to be the most common age.

Tell that to all the 4th and 5th graders who have tampons in their backpacks, or the poor girls who aren't taught about it because "They're too young" so they just sit awkwardly in class wondering why they're the only ones that smell funny.

This is the definition of overthinking a subject, they are kids and she was probably just curious because she probably didnt even knew that boys had "weewees".

She's 9, not 3. Even if she somehow made it through that many years without learning about "weewees" on her own, she should have been formally educated in school by now, unless her parents didn't sign the permission slip.

I understand wanting to keep kids separate from sexual ideas for their own safety, and that's good, but you don't rise to a mental age of "toddler" and stay there until you're 18 and immediately jump to "adult". People tend to group "pre-teen" as one age group with universal characteristics of maturity, but the truth is, each and every year of development is huge during this time frame. You can't treat an 8 year old like a 6 year old, and you certainly can't treat a 9 year old like a 3 year old.

As for the issue at hand, it doesn't sound like it should even be an issue. A simple "Don't touch people's privates" should be enough, unless afterwards she shows abnormal patterns of behavior.

 

[Jamieson 90]

I think people are going a bit too easy on the girl here and maybe for that very reason, I mean I always flip the sexes in situations like these and can you imagine "Nine year old boy feels up 4 year old girl?" I think people would be reacting totally different if that were the case.

I don't get the they're only kids attitude either, I remember when 9 and despite being incredibly stupid and naive at that age I did know the difference between girls and boys, but more importantly I knew what private parts were and that it was very wrong for anyone else to touch mine or for me to do the same to others. Okay maybe if the girl was like five or six I would be more sympathetic, but at nine I think you've really left the "Oh what do you have part," I mean girls find this stuff out from baby dolls and all sorts at an extremely young age; I find it hard to believe that she was merely curious.

 

[AlbertoDeSanta]

Doli Incapax, or did she know what she was doing was Criminal? Seriously, the thread title is misleading as hell and I doubt any court (No matter where in the world) would find a 10 year old girl guilty. I'm not sure how American Laws (Less so about individual states in the USA) work, but if they're anything like Australian laws (Which I'm sure they aren't), they'd have to prove she knew that she was performing criminal activities. By the sounds of it, it looks like that isn't going to happen.

(For those too lazy to look up Doli Incapax: deemed incapable of forming the intent to commit a crime or tort, especially by reason of age [under ten years old]. This exists in Australia, not sure about America, but I'd say it does)

 

[Lieju]

How can it be sexual assault? Sexual assault is attacking somebody for sexual gain (well, that's how I've always thought of it) ... This is just "hey, what you got? That's different than mine!".

Sexual assault is any sexual act forced upon someone, it doesn't have to be for sexual gain.
If you forcibly kiss someone or grope them because you think it's funny, it's sexual assault.
If you pull someone's penis because you have never seen one even though he protests, it can be sexual assault.

I don't get the they're only kids attitude either, I remember when 9 and despite being incredibly stupid and naive at that age I did know the difference between girls and boys, but more importantly I knew what private parts were and that it was very wrong for anyone else to touch mine or for me to do the same to others. Okay maybe if the girl was like five or six I would be more sympathetic, but at nine I think you've really left the "Oh what do you have part," I mean girls find this stuff out from baby dolls and all sorts at an extremely young age; I find it hard to believe that she was merely curious.

Unfortunately in some parts of the world there's the attitude that anything related to sexual organs should be kept a secret from children. You might speak from your experience, but that's not everyone's.

I grew up on a countryside in Finland, so none of this was ever a secret of any kind. You just grew up going to sauna with the opposite sex and watching animals have sex.

And baby dolls are hardly anatomically correct, and even if you've seen those, you might not have been tought that you shouldn't touch certain parts without consent.

 

[Fenris Frost]

You people are utterly wrong about this, and I speak from experience. I was abused by a boy who was eleven at the time, myself a couple of years younger and I can tell you it has scarred me for life. The memories of the incident will stay with me forever, It was accompanied by threats, violence and force over several months. For you to dismiss it as 'playng doctor' only demonstrates your ignorance. It is deeply offensive to see you all act so dismissively without any of the facts and personally, I think she deserves to be punished. If you think her crying is some tragedy, you have no idea of the impact this episode could have on the boy. Don't presume to know the lasting effect because I assure you, it has the potential to be very damaging. To a certain extent I would say that what happened to me will hurt me for the rest of my life.