comparing the situation between Israel and the Palestinians to Nazi Germany shows complete ignorance regarding both Nazi Germany AND the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.Renamedsin said:
about nazi germany.
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WW1 wasn't Germanys fault? To claim such a thing would be quite harsh and inaccurate. WW2 on the other hand, well Germany wouldn't have been there if it wasn't for the treaty of Versailles.
And yes, Antisemitism is and has always been a global problem, not just related to nationalsocalism.
And yes, Antisemitism is and has always been a global problem, not just related to nationalsocalism.
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Isreal doesnt come out smelling like a bouquet of roses these Days
OT you cant really blame the treaty for WW2, Look what happened to turkey after it, they became a secular modern nation.
Stalin is quite overlooked as a terrible person, even though he was.Porygon-2000 said:
P.S. I like your avatar, reminds me of mine
talk to me when they start sending the Palestinians to death camps that exterminate 10,000 people a day.insaneHoshi said:
don't get me wrong, being Palestinian sucks.
but it doesn't even remotely come close to what the Nazies did.
Really? I hadn't noticed any. If anything, it's some really irritating American hate, but I just ignore that.caspertjuhh said:
Gonna go ahead and say it now. Anyone who thinks that all of Germany were Nazis either doesn't know their history or has been pathetically brainwashed. The Nazi regime was, at it's beginning, sort of like a political party over here in the US of A. And it gained more and more power. And eventually became a dictatorship. So forth and so on.
In the future, if you find any nasty German hate on the forums, or any type of racism really, hit the report button.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hofling_hospital_experiment
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asch_conformity_experiments
Humans have a natural tendency to obey superiors (or people they respect), conform to the group and most humans feel a strong need to be part of a group. And Hitler used all these things to his advantage. So I think it's safe to say that most WW2 germans weren't "evil". They were just average human beings.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hofling_hospital_experiment
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asch_conformity_experiments
Humans have a natural tendency to obey superiors (or people they respect), conform to the group and most humans feel a strong need to be part of a group. And Hitler used all these things to his advantage. So I think it's safe to say that most WW2 germans weren't "evil". They were just average human beings.
This guy must be trolling. I mean God, there's a bit of a difference between some antisemitism and gassing them. And how on earth is some sympathy existing for another country's politics a justification for them to invade you? Striving for a similar political system is not the same as intending to give up autonomy.
Obviously a war never has one single, simple cause. But if you insist on distilling them down to such:
WW1 was fought because Germany was insistent on building a railway to the Middle East, which would have given them access to a lot of oil. Combined with her dominance in manufacturing, this would have made Germany a grave threat to the other European powers, so they felt that they could not allow this to happen. The assassination of some duke provided a convenient casus belli.
The rise of the Nazi Party was made possible by a few things: (1) a worldwide financial crisis; (2) a small minority of Jewish terrorists which Hitler blew completely out of proportion; (3) lies spread about the Jews; and (4) a desire for revenge among German nationalists. After the Nazis took power, WW2 was pretty much inevitable, despite the establishment elites in the Allied countries, most of whom were Nazi sympathisers, doing virtually everything in their power to try to avoid war, as well as lots of big US companies investing massively in Germany before and during the war. Most civilians on both sides knew little of the true horrors of the concentration camps untils after the war. When the US government was made aware of them, they delayed releasing the information because they thought it might make the war less popular.
There was nothing in particular about the German people that made them more susceptible to extreme fascism. It could have happened in any country. And it still could. It's the power of the mob.
WW1 was fought because Germany was insistent on building a railway to the Middle East, which would have given them access to a lot of oil. Combined with her dominance in manufacturing, this would have made Germany a grave threat to the other European powers, so they felt that they could not allow this to happen. The assassination of some duke provided a convenient casus belli.
The rise of the Nazi Party was made possible by a few things: (1) a worldwide financial crisis; (2) a small minority of Jewish terrorists which Hitler blew completely out of proportion; (3) lies spread about the Jews; and (4) a desire for revenge among German nationalists. After the Nazis took power, WW2 was pretty much inevitable, despite the establishment elites in the Allied countries, most of whom were Nazi sympathisers, doing virtually everything in their power to try to avoid war, as well as lots of big US companies investing massively in Germany before and during the war. Most civilians on both sides knew little of the true horrors of the concentration camps untils after the war. When the US government was made aware of them, they delayed releasing the information because they thought it might make the war less popular.
There was nothing in particular about the German people that made them more susceptible to extreme fascism. It could have happened in any country. And it still could. It's the power of the mob.
Maby not comparable to 1940's nazis but everything that lead up to the holocaust?bladeofdarkness said:
where are you from?AxCx said:
i am pretty sure that we had a good reason for dropping a couple nukes on japan, say an estimated million casualties for a standard invasion? and, as for the iraq and vietnam thing, grow up, people die in war, i have friends who were there and saw it for themselves. dont blame america for all the woes of the world, because im pretty sure that your country isnt the model of civic virtue.
Thank you for learning to history!Kenko said:
Yup, folks, that's the real deal. France and the UK kicked the new country of Germany's ass, then made them pay for the privilege of being bombed. Germany was correctly pissed that they were being kept as Europe's whipping boy, and were looking for someone to take it out on.
And everyone thinks it was just the Jews that got killed. Nope, it was the mentally ill, the deaf, the blind, the physically disabled, the retarded, all the folks Germany couldn't afford to take care of because France and the UK were bleeding them dry. And if you've ever seen the propaganda that was put out, most Germans thought of killing these groups the same way you'd think of putting down a sick dog. It was better that these people not suffer, that they be euthanized rather than live with the horror of not being "normal" human beings.
We'll no doubt look back on the way that gay people were treated since the sixties, and think the same thing about the Westborough Baptists and Californians. Simple fact, people who think they're right are the people that do the worst things of all.
History is scary like that. Everyone who has done something horrible started out with a really, really good reason that they had to do it. And the people who did good things? They were likely involved in another hundred horrible things, and just lucky that they were remembered for that one good deed.
Really, the best people are the super self-involved. If you don't talk to other people, you don't care enough to "save" them from themselves.
yes, you are right. an interesting thing is what scared the allies the most during that time period was the fact that nazi germany and the soviet union allied. communism and fascism are so different and opposed that the democratic western nations figuratively shit their pants.Porygon-2000 said:
nobody is ultimate evil, however, nobody is totally good either. there is so much 'hate' against germans because nazis appear in so many video games and because the holocaust showed everybody the darkest side of humanity. and in doing so caused many people to 'dehumanize' anyone who wore the nazi symbol, because they couldnt or wouldnt believe that people would do this. thus the perfect enemy was spawned
Easy one! America is rich! We're rich and secure enough that we honestly, honestly forget that not more than one country away, people are having a great day if they don't starve to death, and won't even bother cutting off the mold on their bread because, hell, it's the only bread they'll see this month.brodie21 said:
Americans are miraculously lucky. Lucky that their ancestors invested so much to make their lives good, lucky that America has great natural resources, lucky that American Indians didn't have guns or an organized military, lucky that they can eat every day, sleep in a warm house, and that their biggest worry is how many people will be jerks that day.
And damn if everyone hates someone who is more successful then them for no good reason. It's not hate, it's really jealousy. Not that Americans are so wonderful that everyone wants to be them, but America has a lot of power, a lot of money, and a lot of influence, and people are jealous of that. Can't blame them, really. Wish we could make everyone as rich and happy as America, but if we can't, I'm damn glad to be on the winning side.
