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stabnex said:
What we really want are games all about foxy ladies in skimpy night attire wielding huge black death-cocks and mowing down entire amrys of the same.

WHOOOO! Come on game developers! Let's get one rolling! I HAVE MORE IDEAS! JUST CONTACT ME!
STOP READING MY MIND!
 

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Furburt said:
rompsku said:
No, Alyx doesnt' count. She's nice. But not the sort of realistic I'm talking about. She's way too good at kicking ass, and doesn't die when she's littered with hot lead. The female pilot in COD4 came close, but I just got to save her butt, I want a chick next to me on the frontlines screaming commands, running for cover, getting her asses handed to her by commies, saving my ass from militia. You know what I mean?
Call Of Duty 2, Russian campaign. You have female soldiers fighting with you all the time.
to quote Bishop from Assault on Precinct 13
"no..fuck with me..
 

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believe it or not most gamers are men and so when a game comes out it is targeted towards a male audience in fan service and game play.
 

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Furburt said:
rompsku said:
No, Alyx doesnt' count. She's nice. But not the sort of realistic I'm talking about. She's way too good at kicking ass, and doesn't die when she's littered with hot lead. The female pilot in COD4 came close, but I just got to save her butt, I want a chick next to me on the frontlines screaming commands, running for cover, getting her asses handed to her by commies, saving my ass from militia. You know what I mean?
Call Of Duty 2, Russian campaign. You have female soldiers fighting with you all the time.
I saw a grand total of one, and she had the most irritating voice ever put into a video game.
 
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EDIT: This is getting a bit out of hand. I would like to focus on women in video games. Not IRL. After doing some basic research (which I should have done early). I've learned many, often quite simple and basic, reasons why women aren't generally ideal for combat applications in real world situations. However, I still feel it's a bit of a stretch to exclude women from combat roles in realistic games because of these real world limitations.
Aww, while reading your entire post I prepared myself to crush your dreams about the role of female gender on a battlefield. If you are looking for not-oversexualized fighting women, try Call of Duty 2. If I remember the soviet campaign correctly, there were female conscripts, but rather among lower ranks, yet still you hear them shout warnings and stuff. Speaking of which, I'm not sure if anyone mentioned this, but russians during II World War had entire brigades consisting entirely of conscripted women. (now how to avoid being sexist) This concept got discontinued, as female units were, (how to politely say it) "less reliable" than their regular, male counterparts in battlefield conditions. Men were also considered more disposable then women. Still, women used to serve in more supportive roles, like medical or communication.

EDIT: As I'm reading this topic - there's one thing y'all need to know, despite what Hollywood shows you(Enemy at the Gates is a fucking horrible movie), and what was in CoD2, even in Red Army women were extremely rare in regular frontline formations - except for the aforementioned instance, pretty often there were no women at all. For the same reason there were no women in various navies through the history - (I bet OP will call me sexist with this statement) having a bunch of men, under high stress, along with few women, is pretty much an explosive combination - except for more obvious "something not nice might happen", instead of brother-in-arms, their superior would have to deal with rivalry amongs them. Someone mentioned about mixed tank crews - no, there were none, unless some radical conditions happened, when a casuality couldn't be replaced.

also OT:

I like women, quite a lot. And if one were on the battlefield next to me in say.... Modern Warfare 2, I'd work my ass of to ensure she makes it to the other side of an ambush
Holy Ravioli. If it were Team Fortress 2, I'd have your ass banned from the server instantly. I absolutely fucking hate pocket-white-knight-medics that spawn almost instantly once any player reveal itself as a girl.

EDIT: By the way, it's quite sexist to think that battlefield-capable woman would actually NEED your help, isn't it OP?
 

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JimmyBassatti said:
Why does this thread seem like a giant fetish the OP has? Sure, it makes it more realistic, but what the hell does it matter? You don't play Call of Duty 4 to see the nameless grunts kill stuff, you go there to see Gaz and Price, and all of them. Are you going to be so upset over the fact that there are no nameless women running around dying every two seconds, or getting stuck in the geometry?
misterprickly said:
Furburt said:
rompsku said:
No, Alyx doesnt' count. She's nice. But not the sort of realistic I'm talking about. She's way too good at kicking ass, and doesn't die when she's littered with hot lead. The female pilot in COD4 came close, but I just got to save her butt, I want a chick next to me on the frontlines screaming commands, running for cover, getting her asses handed to her by commies, saving my ass from militia. You know what I mean?
Call Of Duty 2, Russian campaign. You have female soldiers fighting with you all the time.
True... Russia was the only army to have women serve; Mind you... At that time they were so desperate for soldiers that they inlisted anyone.
In Stalingrad, they didn't enlist people, so much as just downright force them into the army. Women were usually part of tank crews, with tanks being driven straight out of the factories onto the front lines.
Call it a fetish, call it a quest for some originality and diversity in this sausage fest that is FPS games. Whatever! I just thought it was weird that I didn't see a single female combatant supportive role or otherwise, in MW2 and many other FPS games.
 

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Doktor Merkwurdigliebe said:
EDIT: This is getting a bit out of hand. I would like to focus on women in video games. Not IRL. After doing some basic research (which I should have done early). I've learned many, often quite simple and basic, reasons why women aren't generally ideal for combat applications in real world situations. However, I still feel it's a bit of a stretch to exclude women from combat roles in realistic games because of these real world limitations.
Aww, while reading your entire post I prepared myself to crush your dreams about the role of female gender on a battlefield. If you are looking for not-oversexualized fighting women, try Call of Duty 2. If I remember the soviet campaign correctly, there were female conscripts, but rather among lower ranks, yet still you hear them shout warnings and stuff. Speaking of which, I'm not sure if anyone mentioned this, but russians during II World War had entire brigades consisting entirely of conscripted women. (now how to avoid being sexist) This concept got discontinued, as female units were, (how to politely say it) "less reliable" than their regular, male counterparts in battlefield conditions. Men were also considered more disposable then women.

also OT:

I like women, quite a lot. And if one were on the battlefield next to me in say.... Modern Warfare 2, I'd work my ass of to ensure she makes it to the other side of an ambush
Holy Ravioli. If it were Team Fortress 2, I'd have your ass banned from the server instantly. I absolutely fucking hate pocket-white-knight-medics that spawn almost instantly once any player reveal itself as a girl.

EDIT: By the way, it's quite sexist to think that battlefield-capable woman would actually NEED your help, isn't it OP?
Dude! I'm a gamer not a soldier. If I were a soldier I'd be trained to treat a female soldier like another other soldier. I'm also not some white-knight. I was referring to single player campaigns. I don't care abut chicks in multiplayer. they're usually the first to go. But my female NPCs in FPS games are rare, and I treat them as such. If I have a disposable team, I do my best to protect the chick. I won't go do a level a 100 times over to ensure her survival, but I'd spend that extra clip protecting her as opposed to some other no-neck, square-jawed grunt.
 

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JimmyBassatti said:
rompsku said:
JimmyBassatti said:
Why does this thread seem like a giant fetish the OP has? Sure, it makes it more realistic, but what the hell does it matter? You don't play Call of Duty 4 to see the nameless grunts kill stuff, you go there to see Gaz and Price, and all of them. Are you going to be so upset over the fact that there are no nameless women running around dying every two seconds, or getting stuck in the geometry?
misterprickly said:
Furburt said:
rompsku said:
No, Alyx doesnt' count. She's nice. But not the sort of realistic I'm talking about. She's way too good at kicking ass, and doesn't die when she's littered with hot lead. The female pilot in COD4 came close, but I just got to save her butt, I want a chick next to me on the frontlines screaming commands, running for cover, getting her asses handed to her by commies, saving my ass from militia. You know what I mean?
Call Of Duty 2, Russian campaign. You have female soldiers fighting with you all the time.
True... Russia was the only army to have women serve; Mind you... At that time they were so desperate for soldiers that they inlisted anyone.
In Stalingrad, they didn't enlist people, so much as just downright force them into the army. Women were usually part of tank crews, with tanks being driven straight out of the factories onto the front lines.
Call it a fetish, call it a quest for some originality and diversity in this sausage fest that is FPS games. Whatever! I just thought it was weird that I didn't see a single female combatant supportive role or otherwise, in MW2 and many other FPS games.
It's not originality. It's a "quest" to see some T 'n A while playing an FPS game, so you don't have to stop to take a porn break. Realistically, there aren't millions of women fighting in the war. A small percent are. And as I said, it's just a male character with a female skin: either way, they'll die, and the only purpose is to provide support, not emotional support, but supporting fire, to the player character as he rushes his way through the battle, stopping every few yards to let himself magically heal. If anything, make the games more realistic and you can only take a few hits, making cover more viable. I'm tired of having games where you can just run through entire bases, proving to be the most bullet resistant troop in the world. Also, you lost all credability when you referred to women as "chicks", and stated you want a women in skimpy night attire taking out armies.
Dude, I'm not gonna be lusting over some chick in full armor while have my ass blown off by militants. I barely had a chance to check out the scenery in COD6, let alone scope out the sexy civilians in the airport. It would just make for an interesting emotional/psychological change to the usual nameless, square jaws grunts that I'm bunched together with in every other 'realistic' FPS. I've lost all form of compassion for those guys, I dunno how I'd feel if one of those were a girl, since I haven't really experienced that before, ya dig?

Referring to women as 'chicks' is a force of habit. Sue for being less than Shakespearean in my choice of vocabulary.

And regarding the chick taking out armies in night attire (you forgot to add that she wields a mighty black dildo). I probably should have added this to my post..

/sarcasm
 

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The women in MGS games are kick ass deadly. But that's a fantasy combat game which strays from reality moreso than the already fanciful CoD series.

I would think seeing too many women in war games would be a little odd, perhaps silly. But maybe include more females or have the option to play as a female in MP. In the rainbow six games you could play as a woman, and that worked well. But that's more a police role, than a combat role.
 

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rompsku said:
JimmyBassatti said:
rompsku said:
JimmyBassatti said:
Why does this thread seem like a giant fetish the OP has? Sure, it makes it more realistic, but what the hell does it matter? You don't play Call of Duty 4 to see the nameless grunts kill stuff, you go there to see Gaz and Price, and all of them. Are you going to be so upset over the fact that there are no nameless women running around dying every two seconds, or getting stuck in the geometry?
misterprickly said:
Furburt said:
rompsku said:
No, Alyx doesnt' count. She's nice. But not the sort of realistic I'm talking about. She's way too good at kicking ass, and doesn't die when she's littered with hot lead. The female pilot in COD4 came close, but I just got to save her butt, I want a chick next to me on the frontlines screaming commands, running for cover, getting her asses handed to her by commies, saving my ass from militia. You know what I mean?
Call Of Duty 2, Russian campaign. You have female soldiers fighting with you all the time.
True... Russia was the only army to have women serve; Mind you... At that time they were so desperate for soldiers that they inlisted anyone.
In Stalingrad, they didn't enlist people, so much as just downright force them into the army. Women were usually part of tank crews, with tanks being driven straight out of the factories onto the front lines.
Call it a fetish, call it a quest for some originality and diversity in this sausage fest that is FPS games. Whatever! I just thought it was weird that I didn't see a single female combatant supportive role or otherwise, in MW2 and many other FPS games.
It's not originality. It's a "quest" to see some T 'n A while playing an FPS game, so you don't have to stop to take a porn break. Realistically, there aren't millions of women fighting in the war. A small percent are. And as I said, it's just a male character with a female skin: either way, they'll die, and the only purpose is to provide support, not emotional support, but supporting fire, to the player character as he rushes his way through the battle, stopping every few yards to let himself magically heal. If anything, make the games more realistic and you can only take a few hits, making cover more viable. I'm tired of having games where you can just run through entire bases, proving to be the most bullet resistant troop in the world. Also, you lost all credability when you referred to women as "chicks", and stated you want a women in skimpy night attire taking out armies.
Dude, I'm not gonna be lusting over some chick in full armor while have my ass blown off by militants. I barely had a chance to check out the scenery in COD6, let alone scope out the sexy civilians in the airport. It would just make for an interesting emotional/psychological change to the usual nameless, square jaws grunts that I'm bunched together with in every other 'realistic' FPS. I've lost all form of compassion for those guys, I dunno how I'd feel if one of those were a girl, since I haven't really experienced that before, ya dig?

Referring to women as 'chicks' is a force of habit. Sue for being less than Shakespearean in my choice of vocabulary.

And regarding the chick taking out armies in night attire (you forgot to add that she wields a mighty black dildo). I probably should have added this to my post..

/sarcasm
EDIT: Funnily though, I agree on how physical damage is handled in most modern FPS games. Magic healing behind cover is bullshit. But can you imagine playing COD6 on Veteran with Operation:Flashpoint's use of damage?
 

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In Modern Warfare 2, I'd work my ass of to ensure she makes it to the other side of an ambush, and I might actually shed a tear if she got killed in some over dramatic story twisting back-stab-athon.
You've actually hit upon one of the main reasons women don't show up on the front lines: countries like Isreal have tried women in front line combat conditions, and what happened is fairly similar to what you are saying. Men were getting themselves killed, trying to be chivalrous and overprotective whenever they sawa female comrade get into trouble. It wasn't actually the women's fault, but the men just couldn't stop trying to be like heroes around them and getting themselves killed.

But all that aside, yes I wouldn't mind more women in the realism-free, videogame depictions of combat. The annoying thing that inevitably happens when a female character is introduced, there is loads of irritating "flirty", "comic-relief" dialogue, so seeing a game that can implement female comrades without the cockteasing would be welcome.
 

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This picture is probably gonna get me labeled as a sexist bastard, but I couldn't help it because of the name of the thread xD


*readies riot shield*

OT: I can only think of the chick in COD 2 in the soviet campaign, the female resistance member that dies in COD 3 and the female chopper pilot in COD 4...
 
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rompsku said:
I'd spend that extra clip protecting her as opposed to some other no-neck, square-jawed grunt.
So, basically, you demand equality in virtual battlefields, yet you would care about women more than men? My chap, THIS, is sexism.
 

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No, I don't want that in my F-ing FPS. Women are already trying to shove their noses into all my other favorite genres and thats one I'd like to keep free of them. Plus, I'm pretty sure there isn't any Special forces group with women in it.
You really need an entire GENRE to yourself? I mean it's not like there won't still be games that are entirely centered around males...

And saying women can't be frontliners because of their period is a pretty silly reason not to have them in games. Plus, havn't you guys ever heard of The Pill? It makes it possible to postpone a period for over a week, should it be scheduled close to a big event. So as I said... using that as a reason why they can't be in games is pretty stupid.

One of the main reasons why most women are smaller than men is because small women have long been preferred for making babies and being housewives. Remember the old joke about how women have small feet just so they can stand closer to the stove?
There are tall women, monstrously huge women who will be able to carry just as much if not more equipment than most males. If size matter so much, then surely these women should be preferred over skinny male tweens?
 

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I don't bother in games, they are just things there in my way or helping me.
 

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rompsku said:
Also, it would quiet interesting to see how players would react to female enemies in a realistic FPS like COD or O:Flashpoint.
I'd just shoot them and teabag the corpse. The same thing I do to all my enemies.
 

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Cod of War said:
Play Mass Effect. They have both a female grunt (Ashley Williams) and a dangerous Spy/Sec Ops officer (Miranda Lawson/Webb).

A female Captain Price voiced by Sigourney Weaver would be cool
the moustache would, however, be slightly less cool.
 
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archvile93 said:
rompsku said:
Also, it would quiet interesting to see how players would react to female enemies in a realistic FPS like COD or O:Flashpoint.
I'd just shoot them and teabag the corpse. The same thing I do to all my enemies.
Thanks for pointing that quote:
1)CoD is far from being realistic.
2)OP clearly hasn't played the original Operation Flashpoint, or ARMA, because you wouldn't even notice that there's a woman somewhere over there - because of the distances the combat takes place in OF. That horrible shit which Codemasters spurted out lately doesn't count.