D&D is Devil Worship

[ShadowsofHope]

Bull. Shit.

That is all.

Oh, and yes, as a future response.. "Go burn in your imaginary hell, plsthxbai."

 

[open trap]

well that was kinda wierd, its part of christianity but that was over egsagerating (dont point out i spelled it wrong, i know) there. this remindes me of how Happy Feet is anti-christian

i would very much like to hear the logic behind THAT!

ok, if u remember the old guy penguins they are sort of religious leaders. at one point they told mumbles to stop his pagenistic ways and then started reciting things from the bible (replacing god with great penguine)and pretty much acting like the church. so it shows that mumbles represents pagenism and the head penguins representing christianity. in the end mumbles "wins" which represents pagenism triumphing over christianity.

 

[Canadamus Prime]

I would've proptly told her to take her god and her religion and shove them where the sun don't shine and kindly pay me for the damages to my stuff.

 

[JWAN]

Whenever someone tries something like that on me, I just look at them and say "Wow you've really put a lot of thought into this... Such a pity you're wasting you're life."

^ That's ironic because your playing D&D though. Its best to not try to shoot back with a "wasting your life" comment.

yes, but at least he is having fun and enjoying himself. An experience not commonly shared by the person to whom was referring. I does not matter what you are doing, as long as you enjoy it. You could be making 3,000 dollars an hour at a job you hate, and you would be wasting your time, as opposed to making 15 dollars an hour at something you love. If D adn D is what you love, no matter how much time you spend battleing imaginary monsters, it will never be a waste of time.

I was playing devils advocate. I dont give a damn what you do with your free time.

 

[Tamashikiri]

Persoanlly, I would have told her to spout her fundamentalist bullshit at someone who cares. Seriously, I despise these radicals. They contribute absolutely NOTHING to society but prove that they're a load of crazed loonies and make the rest of us Christians look bad.

 

[ArcWinter]

i would love to know what part of the bible says you can't have a level 7 paladin

You sir are a genius.

If another one o' those situations happens again, remind her that in the Bible Jesus allowed a woman to get gang-raped by nine men. And then remind her that you are all obviously virgins, so of course you're going to hell.

 

[hittite]

sigh. As a Christian, and as someone who is taking a freaking class on the Bible, I have to say, no, her point does not have any merit. Unless A. your character is a Satan worshipper and you get really into the roleplaying or B. you are actually practicing witchcraft then no, D&D is not devil worship. In fact: http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/ultimate_game.png

 

[Carlston]

Those of you who clicked on this hoping to see a crazy rant from me about how D and D is devil worship, then HA HA suckers. But please, do stick around.

I need new ears... partially because i tore mine out to get away from this conversation i was having. I was minding my own business with a few friends playing D and D, when the head of teh Christian club walks in, pushes the graph paper and figures off the table and says "I have just saved your souls." She then went on for about ten minutes about how playing D and D was devil worship. She said something about magic, and the deities and stuff, i don't remember, cause it was about that time i had an aneurysm and passed out.

Now, some rules, this is NOT to turn into a discussion about how ALL Christians are wacko's just the nutty ones. And also, i would like to hear some INTELLIGENT conversation about whether or not her point has any merit. Lets try to stay civil here people (i know she certainly didn't, not when she stomped on my mage figurine) What is your best or worst experience playing D and D too (this was my second worst)

I would have kicked their ass. Then pointed out DND is about good defeating evil.
To slander something that support good fighting evil is to support evil.
Your either with us or your with the transdimensional beasts.

Then I would have told him since Jesus raised from the dead, healed the sick and created food he was a necromancer because he manipulated life energies.

Then kicked them a few more times on the ground.

 

[Mookie_Magnus]

Now, some rules, this is NOT to turn into a discussion about how ALL Christians are wacko's just the nutty ones. And also, i would like to hear some INTELLIGENT conversation about whether or not her point has any merit. Lets try to stay civil here people (i know she certainly didn't, not when she stomped on my mage figurine) What is your best or worst experience playing D and D too (this was my second worst)

You could try an argument of X degrees of separation on her. Dungeon and Dragons -> Lord of the Rings -> J.R.R Tolkien -> C.S. Lewis. C.S Lewis is highly regarded in the Christian community for both his literature and thoughts on Christian Theology. The two authors were actually very close friends and it was Tolkien who helped convert Lewis to Christianity. Both of their fictional works were heavily steeped in fantastical elements, all be it often times allegories for Christian beliefs though.

I think I'm going to try that neat little tactic in my next argument. Thanks.

But yeah... For one thing, she was completely out of line. What was she even doing interrupting your club? I would have duct-taped that harlot to the wall.

For another, you can't save anyone else's soul. Ultimately, it's up to the people themselves to convert, or accept a faith. Claiming that you saved someone's soul is egotistical, and claiming that you have divine powers. Which is kind of like saying that you are a deity, which is making yourself to be a false idol... Which is blasphemy against Jehovah, God Almighty.

Hmm... From my argument, it looks like she just banished herself to eternal damnation... Tell her to have fun in the Hellfire for me.

 

[Leefank137]

To a dedicated christian I'm sure it makes tons of sense. The "One true God" thing certainly contradicts the polytheistic world of D&D. And we already know from TOO MUCH experience that magic is a big no-no unless Jesus is the one doing it(According to Christianity). In the end, since Religion at its core is based off of personal beliefs, just about any argument trying to convince someone that your God is better than their God is null. I'd say you won

 

[Misaek]

Even if you do have a religion your not worshiping the deities your character is and lets just say you yourself even is worshiping them only 1 of them is an actual "demon" considered evil, that is like someone who has read Paradise Lost a devil worshipper because the book deals with Lucifer and all that.

 

[Baby Tea]

You could try an argument of X degrees of separation on her. Dungeon and Dragons -> Lord of the Rings -> J.R.R Tolkien -> C.S. Lewis. C.S Lewis is highly regarded in the Christian community for both his literature and thoughts on Christian Theology. The two authors were actually very close friends and it was Tolkien who helped convert Lewis to Christianity. Both of their fictional works were heavily steeped in fantastical elements, all be it often times allegories for Christian beliefs though. I guarantee that Lewis's 'Mere Christianity' has turned more people on to that religion then her methods ever will.

Slycne, have I told you how much I love you lately?
Amen (Pun intended) to that!
I tell you, the dogmatic, pharisitical Christians give the rest of us a bad name, or at least make it harder for us. I'm a Christian, I love the writings of both Lewis and Tolkien (Lewis more, though. He's just so great), and I love fantasy literature and games (Table top and otherwise).
There is absolutely no conflict with my playing these games, reading R.A. Salvatore (Or some other fantasy author), and my faith. I know people here have been posting about how they would have loved to be there to yell right back at this girl, but man I would have loved to be there for the theological discussion that would stem out of it. I love discussing it with the dogmatic and legalistic.

But, more on topic, either ignore her, or bring up Slycne's great argument.

 

[Riptor552]

First off I'd like to thank Soushi for not generalizing this to all Christians, as I am one myself. I never really got involved with any of the deities in any of my sessions and honestly never cared. There's nothing wrong about Dungeons and Dragons if there's nothing wrong with Lord of the Rings or [Insert popular fantasy movie/book] in my opinion.

For your enjoyment...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHdXG2gV01k

 

[MarreckSteel]

Unfortunately, she's just an example of one of the many annoying traits of the modern world and America in a sense as well. We live in a country where people like her are considered more in the right, then rational straight thinking people that happen to think a little differently then the everyday person. I myself am a bit of an anomaly.

I live in Massachusetts the most democratic state in the union, yet my whole family (4 other people) are registered republicans...2 of whom watch Fox. (Sad I know, but thankfully they don't listen to everything they said. If they did, I might not be playing games period) That being said, I am a registered Independent, a party that as my father said was a bit lazy. I find this strange, because I think Independents actually need to look deeper to decide on which party to support and vote for. I actually have to look at each candidate and their views and decide who I want to vote for, not who my party tells me to.

Now I'm just ranting, back on topic. I would just let the whole issue roll off your back. If she continues to hassle when you guys play again, you don't do anything back to her. Chances are, she'll continue to get more and more ridiculous and stupid in her attempts to "save" you and all you'll have to do is remain cool and collected. In the end, you'll be the better person in not losing your head over such a silly issue.

 

[Allan53]

Although I don't condone her coming in and potentially damaging your property, just a slightly alternative view to what I'm seeing here. From her perspective (which, despite other opinions, is equally as valid as anyone elses), you were doing something which could lead to an eternity of torment and damnation. Compare it to the drug thing. If you were to see someone about to experiment with crack cocaine, you would step in, because that stuff is VERY addictive, and will do you a world of no good.

Her methods were wrong, but her intentions were good. So, A for effort, D- for actual procedure.

 

[Iwtph2]

In the mention of other deities that appear in DnD, yes, they do exist, they usually apply to some basic sub-section of the games overall fantasy stuff. Generally though, people chose these gods because it has useful effects, or makes sense for their characters. If they are in fact wanting to make an awesome warrior character it makes sense perhaps that they choose the god that mainly just wants his followers to beat the crap out of things. Also, based on the commandments it says not worshiping false idols and other gods, which makes sense I suppose. However, there's that word in there..worship. Generally people in fact do not worship their DnD god. They do not believe that this fictional god for a fictional game built for fun and socializing with friends will in some way lead them to happiness and save their souls. They choose it because it's a part of the experience, part of the character setup. I think that's the major difference, is while there are other gods, you're don't intend to actually legitimately follow them, it's just another section to make the world more realistic and help players of whatever culture they are relate to the game world. In the case that someone honestly does believe that Corellon, god of magic and elves is going to help them ascend from earth into..something when you die, there's more to worry about than saving their soul from DnD

 

[Krantos]

As a christian myself (though believe me there are many who would dispute that claim) I love/hate people like that. They are the kind of Christians that listen what Pastor/Father Woss-is-name says about the bible and Christianity and assume that they know everything about, well, everything. I just love how the bible's message has remained the same and yet the humility and pacifism of Jesus has been replaced by the self-righteous bible-thumping of contemporary Christians.

It's reminiscent of Karl Marx saying "I'm not a Marxist." I get the feeling that if Jesus were alive today, he'd say "I'm not a Christian."

Anyway, in answer to your question I do not believe that D&D is in any way contributory to devil worship or anything of the kind. The only way it can lead to negative actions is if the player is unable to adequately separate fact from fiction, but the same can be said of movies, video games, music, even books and fairy-tales. If parents are concerned about their children in this way, perhaps they should invest more time in raising them to be able to distinguish the two.

Oh, and to add to my first paragraph, I believe that it is another example of someone (the girl) knowing nothing about something (D&D) but because they heard about it from somewhere (probably their pastor/priest) thinking they know all about it. It's a perfect example of contemporary Christians being ludicrously quick to judge without knowing all the facts.

 

[Yumi_and_Erea]

I know you asked for intelligent observations on the matter but her behavior as you described it has got to be some of the most retarded bullshit I've ever heard. She actually walked in, unannounced, threw your stuff off the table and then proceeded to motherfucking STOMP on your property?!

Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm fairly sure there's a word for this sort of thing.
And that word is VANDALISM!!!

Seriously, if I heard this right, she was intentionally damaging private property for no adequate reason.

It's part of my philosophy to never hit women but it is also part of my philosophy to prevent criminals from violating me or my assets. I'd have clobbered her one. Repeatedly.

In all seriousness, if she ever pulls this kind of shit again, inform authorities.
She had no right to do this, and she never will. Ever.

J.R.R. Tolkien himself, whom I think we can all agree is one of the major inspirations for D&D, was a devout catholic. D&D has absolutely nothing to do with satanism or devil-worship.
It's about emotional katharsis and socializing with friends. That's all.

People like this just piss me off so much.

Also,

you should walk into a christian club meeting, throw all their stuff on the floor and say that you just saved their souls.


the atempt to induct them into the church of the flying spaghetti monster.


eye for an eye mofos...



/jokes

just ignore them? she's lucky I wasn't there, I would have given her about a million reasons why she's wrong, and probably made her cry (I'm apparently very good at that...).

Totally agree with this.

 

[George Palmer]

"pushes the graph paper and figures off the table and says "I have just saved your souls."

Follow her to church on Sunday. Then walk in and slap the bible out of her hands and say "There, Ive just saved you from being a pretentious, know it all, hypocritical *****."

Then give her the finger and take a dump in the gathering basket.

 

[Taneer]

Whenever someone tries something like that on me, I just look at them and say "Wow you've really put a lot of thought into this... Such a pity you're wasting you're life."

^ That's ironic because your playing D&D though. Its best to not try to shoot back with a "wasting your life" comment.

Good to know that you're criticizing pen-and-paper roleplaying as "Wasting your life" on a Gaming Forum.