I'm sorry, are they the people who officially define what an RPG is? Do they have decide what certain games are classified as? They don't. As such, I don't have to take their word as the law. You don't need to like Dark Souls, but it is an action role-playing game. It is an RPG.Phoenixmgs said:
Dark Souls has ruined the RPG for me...
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I think the broad idea of an RPG, as interpreted by video games has expanded over the years as our processing power has evolved. Dark Souls and Skyrim are both RPGs and damn great ones at that. They actually fit the idea more than some previous games many of us grew up with. Lets think back to a game that a lot of fucking people consider to be a classic RPG... umm Final Fantasy VII. It was turn based for starters, which is an element that some people think is definitive for the RPG. You didn't get to level up your character the way you wanted. You didn't get to pick a class. You didn't really get to choose much. The story was pretty good but you were already cast as someone in it. So it kind of all sucked when looking back, thank goodness our games evolved into the bad ass monsters we call Skyrim, Dark Souls, Deus Ex, The Witcher, etcetera.
A Role Playing Game as defined by Webster: A game in which players assume the roles of characters and act out fantastical adventures, the outcomes of which are partially determined by chance, as by the roll of dice.
The dice now days is your processor crunching the numbers from your stats vs the stats of objects, PCs and NPCs.
A Role Playing Game as defined by Webster: A game in which players assume the roles of characters and act out fantastical adventures, the outcomes of which are partially determined by chance, as by the roll of dice.
The dice now days is your processor crunching the numbers from your stats vs the stats of objects, PCs and NPCs.
I am in agreement. I have been hearing a lot of my friends talking about Amnesia.Jim_Callahan said:
What was it about the combat that was bad for you? Which class did you pick?Itchi_da_killa said:
Also, once you progress to find the ferry stones, you can fast travel to places and ditch your loot into storage. You're the first person I've heard who actually dug the story without liking the combat. It's actually a well thought out story.
You don't really need to pick up everything as you become more experienced. I recommend trying Dark Arisen next time you dive back in. That will eliminate one of the two things that killed the game for you.
I have yet to try the critically acclaimed Dark Souls. I missed it when it was on PS+... I hope it comes back.
I'm sorry, what does make an RPG? Stealth elements? Moral choices? RPG is a pretty wide term dude. Persona 4 and 3 are RPGs, and they don't have much to them besides Personas, stats and social links.Phoenixmgs said:
Dark Souls requires a very specific kind of mindset to play.
Personally I can't get into it due to the endless amounts of unforgiving bullshit you'll find early into the game.
So honestly imo, you're stuck in this limbo. Try to get into some older strategy games or get yourself into an RPG that is pretty unique, try the Persona series for example.
I love the Elder scrolls, KOTR series, as well as some dungeon crawlers eg. Diablo.
So for an RPG fan, i'm pretty damn generic.
Try Morrowind for a bit, might tickle your fancy more than Skyrim.
Personally I can't get into it due to the endless amounts of unforgiving bullshit you'll find early into the game.
So honestly imo, you're stuck in this limbo. Try to get into some older strategy games or get yourself into an RPG that is pretty unique, try the Persona series for example.
I love the Elder scrolls, KOTR series, as well as some dungeon crawlers eg. Diablo.
So for an RPG fan, i'm pretty damn generic.
Try Morrowind for a bit, might tickle your fancy more than Skyrim.
You're saying Dark Souls is not an RPG? Wha... I... on what planet?!Ishal said:
I and many others had plenty of role-playing experiences in Dark Souls. The time I played as a faith build who helped other worlders with miracles to heal them and to punish the guilty attacking the host via joining Gwyndolin and the Darkmoons. The time I played a strength build who lusted for power, so he went and sided with Kaathe, joined the Dickwraiths and got himself enough humanity to tackle Gwyn and become a Dark Lord. The time I played a Chaos Ninja who utilized chaos weapons and chaos pyro only to become obsessed with fire eventually ending up linking the flames because of it. And the time I played a mage who found stoicism unsavory, so he went on his undead mission with phantoms who shared his love for intelligence over melee.
And a psychopath who managed to link the fire, naked, with a balder shield and a fire club, who don't need no souls (slvl 1).
People even write stories for people to view based of Dark Souls' options as an RPG
If you don't like Dark Souls thats fine. But don't say its not an action RPG, because it kind of is.
OT: No worries, I was stuck in the same rut, I had to get away from Dark Souls so I can actually enjoy other games.
If I were you i'd try out Monster Hunter, great game, challenging, vast and enjoyable. Dragons Dogma was fun, just didn't stick with me after I beat it. And Persona 4/The Golden, because theres never a moment where I shouldn't recommend Persona.
Oh and also, let's not discuss what is and isn't an RPG.
My brother and I had this very same argument last week, 25-40 minutes long judging on what a JRPG and RPG is.
Now AFTER A VERY LONG TIME, that is 100% factual based on research, and various opinions of professionals.
We came to the agreement that he won (An JRPG is a different genre to RPG'S)
But Dragon Age AND Mass Effect are now under JRPG'S in this house.
Don't argue on this, or you will end up with a stupid result like us.
My brother and I had this very same argument last week, 25-40 minutes long judging on what a JRPG and RPG is.
Now AFTER A VERY LONG TIME, that is 100% factual based on research, and various opinions of professionals.
We came to the agreement that he won (An JRPG is a different genre to RPG'S)
But Dragon Age AND Mass Effect are now under JRPG'S in this house.
Don't argue on this, or you will end up with a stupid result like us.
It's all about player agency (in your character and in combat if there is combat, RPGs don't need combat). I suggest you listen to the beginning of this Escapist podcast:erttheking said:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/escapist-podcast/5431-035-What-Defines-An-RPG-More-Mass-Effect
Tito even says the Persona games aren't RPGs, along with Final Fantasy as well.
Not RPGs? I'm sorry, I could've sworn that the RPG in JRPG stood for role playing game. I don't really agree with what that guy is saying, like I said, the definition of RPG isn't that narrow. And last time I checked there was quite a bit of player agency in Dark Souls. The Chaos Servant Covenant. Saving Solare. The actions that can reveal Anor Londo for what it really is. Bringing the bonfire keeper back to life. Helping Seigmeyer. Choosing between linking the fire and becoming the Dark Lord. The fact that you can kill pretty much every NPC in the game just for shits and giggles.Phoenixmgs said:
And this is all fine and dandy, but Persona and Final Fantasies are still RPGs.
I'm usually just a lurker but I had to get in on this.
Dark Souls and Skyrim are RPGs. There are different styles you know. The role playing in terms of gaming is based on a character you create and develop through that game. I have no idea why anyone is fighting about this.
One of the first modern role playing games was Dungeons and Dragons back in the 70s. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dungeons_&_Dragons
It helped start it all. You made a character by picking a class, rolling dice for your stats and then leveling the guy up as you play. You made your own story for the character as well as a name and then you played it in some dungeon master's adventure. You could take cues on how to act in the DM's world or act the way you want.
Dark Souls: You pick a class based on stats that your going to build on in your own way. Give it a name and a look then level the character up in some dungeon master's (From software)adventure ...being Dark Souls.
What is the argument?
Dark Souls and Skyrim are RPGs. There are different styles you know. The role playing in terms of gaming is based on a character you create and develop through that game. I have no idea why anyone is fighting about this.
One of the first modern role playing games was Dungeons and Dragons back in the 70s. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dungeons_&_Dragons
It helped start it all. You made a character by picking a class, rolling dice for your stats and then leveling the guy up as you play. You made your own story for the character as well as a name and then you played it in some dungeon master's adventure. You could take cues on how to act in the DM's world or act the way you want.
Dark Souls: You pick a class based on stats that your going to build on in your own way. Give it a name and a look then level the character up in some dungeon master's (From software)adventure ...being Dark Souls.
What is the argument?
OP I do agree that it's hard to find a good RPG. You should try Deus Ex. You strike me as a guy that does not like the Tolkien influenced crap. Me neither and I can tell by your user name that your just either into Japanese cinema or your cyber punk or both. Either way... try Deus Ex. By the way it's Ichi The Killer lol. I get why you put "Da Killa" but you spelled Ichi wrong. Shame on you!
This ise off topic from what this thread is about but the amount of zealot game thinking is through the roof on both sides that I find both salty and ridiculous. The fact that people need to de-rail the thread to post their subjective opinion off-topic is rather disgusting, if you want to go have that discussion than by all means, make a new topic somewhere else.
And yes, aware of the hypocrisy of saying what I just said.
ON TOPIC LIKE EVERYONE SHOULD BE!
As everyone suggested before, Dark Souls cousin would be Monster Hunter in which you replace the exploration for straight up boss-battles. Progression is great in how ridiculous the monsters can get in both power and size, some of the most interesting armor designs as well thanks to it's crafting, most armor sets are very organic looking which is a good change in pace compared to just different colored steel.
If your talking about Diablo like fair, there is the trinity of POE, D3, and TL2. I would say Path of Exile is the worse of the three mainly cause it harps Diablo 2 a little to closely(in combat mechanics) and takes some of its combat flaws with it. The only reason I think it has gotten as big as it is is for once, it is an actual free to play game with no pay to win micros, it won't waste your time, just depends if you actually find it fun.
For Diablo 3 or Torchlight 2. They are different beasts, Diablo is better designed but rather soulless flair which makes me migrate to Torchlight more often even if it is flawed.
X-Com Enemy Unknown(Within with the expansion this month) isn't exactly action based but a solid RPG, my GOTY from that year
And yes, aware of the hypocrisy of saying what I just said.
ON TOPIC LIKE EVERYONE SHOULD BE!
As everyone suggested before, Dark Souls cousin would be Monster Hunter in which you replace the exploration for straight up boss-battles. Progression is great in how ridiculous the monsters can get in both power and size, some of the most interesting armor designs as well thanks to it's crafting, most armor sets are very organic looking which is a good change in pace compared to just different colored steel.
If your talking about Diablo like fair, there is the trinity of POE, D3, and TL2. I would say Path of Exile is the worse of the three mainly cause it harps Diablo 2 a little to closely(in combat mechanics) and takes some of its combat flaws with it. The only reason I think it has gotten as big as it is is for once, it is an actual free to play game with no pay to win micros, it won't waste your time, just depends if you actually find it fun.
For Diablo 3 or Torchlight 2. They are different beasts, Diablo is better designed but rather soulless flair which makes me migrate to Torchlight more often even if it is flawed.
X-Com Enemy Unknown(Within with the expansion this month) isn't exactly action based but a solid RPG, my GOTY from that year
Ha! I feel like an idiot! When people were posting shit about it, I thought Monster Rancher for some reason. I just got done checking it out and it looks siiick az fuck and I want it! I just ordered it for PSP.ThePuzzldPirate said:
If by Tolkien influenced you mean elves and shit than you're right... I hate that crap! I have totally played Deus Ex (now I have to re-install it)like 100 times and I love it but I have also played Human Revolution ...and I love it much more. I know that I totally spelled "Ichi" wrong and Escapist won't let me change it.CrackerJack said:
A lot of that type stuff you're talking about, you can do in many games. In a shooter, you can play patient, reserved sniper and then next playthrough be a lunatic shotgunner; that doesn't turn that shooter into an RPG. inFamous isn't an RPG either and it has even more choices, but the focus is on the sandbox gameplay, not role-playing.Xcell935 said:
Dark Souls focuses on dungeon crawling; therefore, it's a dungeon crawler, not an RPG.
JRPGs are misclassified. Putting a turn-based battle system into an adventure game like say The Longest Journey wouldn't make it an RPG, but that's exactly what JRPGs are, adventure games with a battle system.erttheking said:
And, DnD has a whole range of ability scores, skills, and feats that do not pertain to combat unlike Dark Souls. If DnD was just dungeon crawling, it wouldn't be an RPG.CrackerJack said: