Doctor Who: Episode 13: The Big Bang (Spoilers) + TimeLord 5000!

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SmoothGlover

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The_root_of_all_evil said:
Think of how Rita would see Phil Connors in Groundhog Day. She doesn't get to see any of his mistakes, just the final solution.
That... is one jolly good analogy.

Some of the ways in which #10 would suddenly turn around and save the day in about 15 minutes used to annoy me (for about a millionth of a second, then I would go back to loving it) but I loved how everything in this episode just sort of made sense. In fact, the only point I was stuck on, you have sorted out with the aforementioned analogy. So, thank you.
 

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Nerf Ninja said:
Matt Smith is the worst doctor ever, even Colin Baker was better than him. I honestly hope he gets killed off in the christmas episode and it turns out he regenerates into Riversong or something.

My opinion of the last episode: Meh, This is supposed to be a finale?
I haven't seen a post so full of crap in a while. It's not even opinion that Smith is good, it's fact. How good you can debate, but he is not a bad doctor.
 

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Teachingaddict said:
Who is River Song - I mean really?
I've figured it out. She is...
The Deus Ex Machina!
[small]That would be so neat if she actually was somehow, the literal translation of that term, God From The Machine.[/small]

Sam G said:
Wow, your 5000th post and the final episode of a series of Doctor Who at the same time? That's one of the weirdest coincidences I've ever witnessed.
It is said that the universe is huge and ridiculous and sometimes there are miracles.
 

wildpeaks

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Well that was a good finale (even if more packed than the others of the season), however my evil scientist side would have loved if the previous episode was the finale, that would have been a perfect victory (even if I still don't get why they went out of their way to create something to maintain the doctor alive inside the box when it would have been much more efficient to let him die inside, even if it's actually that one thing that saved the Universe in the end).

It's a bit frustrating that we didn't find out who was messing with the Tardis' controls, I guess we have to wait for christmas.
 

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Anyone else reckon River Song is Jenny from 4x06 The Doctors Daughter?

I think I'm actually going to be annoyed if she isn't. Because that ending was far too good for her to not be re-introduced into the show.
 

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kaziard said:
so...many...plot holes...and discrepancies
This...
Except I'm not the sort of person to get too hung up on it. I still enjoyed it.

This was a... different sort of finale... there was just a lack of action, there didn't seem to be any real panic for time.

There wasn't any of the foreshadowing that made Bad Wolf so incredible, no large character loss that was key to Doomsday, and didn't have the epicness of Journey's End.

It was clever, which I appreciate... But that's what I expect from a regular episode, not from a finale.
 

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JordanMillward_1 said:
Amy is easily the best companion of the lot, and I'm someone who thought Rose and Martha were awesome.
Rose was awesome. Martha was okay. Donna was terrible. And Karen Gillian is so beautiful, I don't care that she can't act (although she did alright in this episode).

Flying Dagger said:
Anyone else reckon River Song is Jenny from 4x06 The Doctors Daughter?
Ooooh, good theory!

But there would be... issues... of the "I thought you were my wife but you're actually my daughter" variety. But maybe it could be pulled off.
 

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Goddamn there's been a lot of these threads lately. Congratz though. Now get started on 10k, damn you! *Lash whip at feet*

OT: I should probably start watching Docter Who.
 

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ok let me give this a shot...

Noelveiga said:
That was terrible.

Ok, a list. Obviously spoilers:

1) Last episode, Rory stabbed a Cyberman to death. This episode, the Doctor hints at this being due to Auton-Rory having superstrength. This makes the Doctor and Amy look very stupid, as they both failed to spot this when it happened. Also, how did the Cyberman in last episode function after spitting out a whole human head from inside the helmet? I was under the impression that the brain was what actually controlled the robotic body. Why do cybermen need human bodies if they can work without one?
first the cyberman body was clearly damaged on some level, which would have made it easier to finish off with a sword, not having a head in it would have also made it structurally weaker, which could have been why the Doctor never thought much about it. the part where it moved without a head isn't that hard to imagine, it probably still had backup power to move, cybermen are suppose to augment normal human strength so the exoskeleton would need some motors to move a little bit, at the least enough to get a new host body.

Noelveiga said:
2) Yep, the Doctor claimed there were tons of Deadlock seals, quantum locks and more keeping the Pandorica shut. This episode, "it's really easy to open from the outside".
all of those locks weren't set yet, when the door closed after the "alliance" threw the doctor in, it was the same moment where the TARDIS exploded, destroying the origin planets of all of the doctor's enemies (which is why they were frozen "time fossils") so from that point on the Pandorica was like a gate without the padlock put on (except about a million more locks)

Noelveiga said:
3) Half of the episode is a trip back throughout the season. Last episode the teaser was the same thing. It feels like a clip show at times.
not really, yes they went back to other episodes but only briefly and by no means for 1/2 the episode. and going back to Flesh and Stone was a good thing because it explained why the Doctor was still wearing his coat after the angels ripped it off when he talked with Amy.


Noelveiga said:
4) Extreme, extreme wibbly wobblyness. The Doctor is broken free by himself travelling back in time to break himself free after being broken free by himself time travelling back to break himself free. In season 3 the Master needed to refurbish an entire TARDIS to support a paradox that, in all honesty, was far simpler. Last season, David Tennant was extremely conflicted at the notion of minor rippling throughout history. This season he's rewriting entire universes by skipping back and forth in his own time-line, which is something that has always been either impossible or forbidden. What is up with that?
the paradox the master planed for was FAR greater in scale then what the Doctor did, not to mention it involved killing millions of people which would have canceled the Toklaphain(what the fake aliens were called) from existence. what the Doctor did was basically the same type of paradox that helped the Doctor in Blink. and honestly...this kind of thing is pretty common in any plot involving time-travel so it not really worth getting too worked up about it unless its insanely out there. plus considering the universe was being destroyed, i don't think the Doctor would much care about tiny little paradoxes like that if it meant he could save the universe.


Noelveiga said:
5) More extreme wibbly wobblyness, this time paired with plotholeness. The Daleks apparently extracted a full version of Rory's psyche out of Amy. So that is technologically possible. So... why not do that, then, if Amy can just will things back into existence by remembering them? And yeah, how does that work?
admittedly you might have a point with this one, as far as i understood the Darleks projected an illusion using Amy's memories as a trap for the Doctor. i thought they also found Rory(thinking he was found by them after coming out of the other end of the crack). Amy remembering things into existence was do to the light the Pandorica had which healed the universe back to normal, Amy didn't remember her parents because they were the first victims of the crack, but the 2nd big bang brought them back because Amy remembered them being apart of the universe. this was the same way she got back the Doctor as well. but yeah this bit could of been explained more and is a bit confusing.



Noelveiga said:
6) Oh, this is a good one. How did the universe survive the Time War, in which battle TARDISes were used and blown up willy-nilly by the Daleks, if a single TARDIS explosion can erase the entire universe? Were the Daleks aware of this in season 1 when they shot a rocket at it? That sounds like a nice deterrent for a war: "Hey, if you destroy my spaceship the entire creation will be erased".
the way the TARDIS exploded to created the cracks and destroy the universe is not the same as a TARDIS being shot down. in the finale some outside force took control of the TARDIS; whatever controled it probably needed to adjust its settings in order to reach the optimal conditions for it to explode the way it needed to. its kind of like if you wanted to make a container of gasoline to explode, it needs the right amount of gas fumes in the air to ignite (but with TARDIS that are far more complex ALOT more conditions need to be met).

Noelveiga said:
7) Amy wakes up and is surprised to see her family back on the day of her wedding, but... why? That's not the date when the Doctor restores the universe, which happens in 96, and Amy has been back and forth in time a lot. So was she surprised for the previous twenty years as well or what? Graned, this can be explained away as being the date of the first time she time traveled, but still unwarranted, mostly because...
the doctor said that after the 2nd big bang happened that everyone would be transported back to where they were in their time stream. (admittedly making a tiny plot-hole about River Song with this one but whatever)


Noelveiga said:
8) River seems to remember the Doctor before Amy does. So... WTF? I mean, I get that this is foreshadowing and all that, but like with the Cyberman thing, the Doctor doesn't bat an eye at this. "Hey, River, how come you broke the rules and remembered me but somehow that didn't bring me back, but Amy who also time travels didn't remember me but when she did I was brought back?" That sounds like an appropriate question to me.
yes it does, however i would guess that since everything seems to be more focused on Amy in the series and the Doctors little story he told her when she was 7....also River is very...complicated as her charterer was written so really who knows, although her little diary of hers WAS blank until the Doctor came back..legitimate question though
 

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oktalist said:
Ooooh, good theory!

But there would be... issues... of the "I thought you were my wife but you're actually my daughter" variety. But maybe it could be pulled off.
Last two timelords in existance.

Creates a sort of dilemma.

AND technically made from tennants DNA, which was changed during the regeneration.
 

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Noelveiga said:
That was terrible.

Ok, a list. Obviously spoilers:

1) Last episode, Rory stabbed a Cyberman to death. This episode, the Doctor hints at this being due to Auton-Rory having superstrength. This makes the Doctor and Amy look very stupid, as they both failed to spot this when it happened. Also, how did the Cyberman in last episode function after spitting out a whole human head from inside the helmet? I was under the impression that the brain was what actually controlled the robotic body. Why do cybermen need human bodies if they can work without one?
the doctor said something about the body inside having died off long ago, since it was a sentry unit that had been there for ages... i got the impression it cut the old head out of it and was snapping at amy to use her body, because if it wanted to kill her it could have just strangled her...
 

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I didn't find it that exciting, mainly due to being more curious about why the TARDIS was exploding than anything else in the story and then not having that covered.

It has to be some internal problem/meddling as the Tardis has been destroyed before and they seem to be trying not to overrule anything from the original series'. (unless this slipped by them)

Also if it was just the destruction of the Tardis that caused all these problems then why wouldn't there have been universe wide repercussions when other Tardis' got destroyed.