Doctor Who: Episode 13: The Big Bang (Spoilers) + TimeLord 5000!

[Lyri]

It was shit.

It was built up with looaaaaaaaaaads of enemies and there was one dusty dalek.


Zero climax, nothing happened.


Plus...there was no Tom Baker.

This!

It was a total cop-out.
Amy in the box, it never really explained how he got out in the first place but he did just to make it work.
I don't mind Matt Smith at all, but I wish we had Russell T Davis back.

Also, if Amy Pond isn't kicked out into the nearest black hole there will be outrage, she has less character than a wooden plank.
She's there for really loud questions, chief amongst those being "Doctor, what's that!?".


I'm also cringing because Dr. Riversong said "Thats when it all changes". Torchwood season 3 has just been confirmed, anyone remember the tag line?

 

[Mr Cwtchy]

Matt Smith is the worst doctor ever, even Colin Baker was better than him. I honestly hope he gets killed off in the christmas episode and it turns out he regenerates into Riversong or something.

My opinion of the last episode: Meh, This is supposed to be a finale?

I haven't seen a post so full of crap in a while. It's not even opinion that Smith is good, it's fact. How good you can debate, but he is not a bad doctor.

I haven't seen a post so full of arrogance in a while. It's not a fact that Smith is good, it's an opinion.

Just because someone doesn't share your opinion, doesn't make them wrong. Try not to make such big headed posts next time or you'll make yourself look more like a douche than you already do.

 

[KazzorSwan]

That was terrible.


4) Extreme, extreme wibbly wobblyness. The Doctor is broken free by himself travelling back in time to break himself free after being broken free by himself time travelling back to break himself free. In season 3 the Master needed to refurbish an entire TARDIS to support a paradox that, in all honesty, was far simpler. Last season, David Tennant was extremely conflicted at the notion of minor rippling throughout history. This season he's rewriting entire universes by skipping back and forth in his own timeline, which is something that has always been either impossible or forbidden. What is up with that?

And yes, in Blink the Doctor sent messages forward in time so that the TARDIS would be sent back to him. If I had known paradoxing was now the Doctor's superpower I would have hated Blink back then. Maybe I can tell myself in the past to hate Blink now.

5) More extreme wibbly wobblyness, this time paired with plotholeness. The Daleks apparently extracted a full version of Rory's psyche out of Amy. So that is technologically possible. So... why not do that, then, if Amy can just will things back into existence by remembering them? And yeah, how does that work?

6) Oh, this is a good one. How did the universe survive the Time War, in which battle TARDISes were used and blown up willy-nilly by the Daleks, if a single TARDIS explosion can erase the entire universe? Were the Daleks aware of this in season 1 when they shot a rocket at it? That sounds like a nice deterrent for a war: "Hey, if you destroy my spaceship the entire creation will be erased".

I agree that this episode/season was almost completely trash, because it was lacking personality among other things. Its funny if you watch confidential Moffat admits to not knowing what characters purposes are such as the new daleks.

Answers to your questions
#4 The whole of time and space has been destroyed I don't think a time paradox applies to a universe without time itself

#5 Not to sure about this one ( I'm kinda just creating an excuse for Moffat's writing here) but I guess Amy adsorbed so much time energy that her memory acts as the pandorical does and has an imprint of events in the the universe (such as the doctor) and using the time energy can bring him back (much like the doctor did to "reboot" the universe, or how Rose became omnipotent when she absorbed the whole of the time vortex)

#6 Someone of immense knowledge of the Tardis rigged it so it would explode in such a way to destroy the universe ( a comparison in the 3rd season episode "Smith and Jones" a MRI machine was rigged to destroy the brainwaves of everyone on earth, MRI machines cant regularly do this much like the Tardis can not blow up the universe when blown up conventionally.

Now for some of my own question/thoughts

1. I think I remember prisoner 0 saying something about silence falling in all universes (much like the reality bomb from the season 4 finale) don't really know what that means, and the way Moffat writes I'm sure it wont mean anything. But it could mean another parallel universe story, meaning Rose might come back.

2.Why do sometimes the cracks in time eat people so that they never exist and other times they act as a portal between to parts of space.

3. Another reference to the reality bomb. Why is it that every race including the daleks teamed up to try to stop the universe from being destroyed, but didn't when the whole of creation is threatened by the reality bomb.

4. If the doctor gets erased from history why the fuck is their even an earth for Amy to get married on. The doctor has saved the earth countless times and with out him it would be devastated (as shown in the season 4 episode "Turn Left").

5. Also not sure if it matters but why the hell were the parallel universe versions of the Cybermen there, I believe they even had the Cybus Industries Logo on their chest plates.

6. Last thing, so if all the things eaten by the time crack come back does that mean everyone will remember the Daleks invading, and the Cybermen on christmas? And does that Rory at the wedding have memory from the point he died beneath the Earth or from when he was the Auton copy ( which to me is impossible because it physically isn't him) and why doesn't Rory seem any wiser at the museum, seeing as he's been alive for nearly 2000 years he should be as or more insightful than the Doctor who is only 900 or so.
RANTs;
1. Why did they get rid of all the old cast of characters, especially captain Jack. Regenerating doesn't mean he cant ever talk to his friends again. Its basically like starting a whole new doctor who tv show after they've already established the characters. Wouldn't that be cool if Jack showed up out of nowhere and rescued The Doctor from the Panorica, but of course that wont happen.

2. I feel Mat Smith completely lacks personality as the doctor, at least when compared to David Tennant. Mat seems quieter and shows less expression.

3. Amy Pond has honestly not helped the doctor at all since they met, you can say she got him out of problems but when you think back who started those problems? Most likely she did.

 

[PoliceBox63]

Matt Smith is the worst doctor ever, even Colin Baker was better than him. I honestly hope he gets killed off in the christmas episode and it turns out he regenerates into Riversong or something.

My opinion of the last episode: Meh, This is supposed to be a finale?

I haven't seen a post so full of crap in a while. It's not even opinion that Smith is good, it's fact. How good you can debate, but he is not a bad doctor.

Don't... feed... the troll

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

RANTs;
1. Why did they get rid of all the old cast of characters, especially captain Jack. Regenerating doesn't mean he cant ever talk to his friends again. Its basically like starting a whole new doctor who tv show after they've already established the characters. Wouldn't that be cool if Jack showed up out of nowhere and rescued The Doctor from the Panorica, but of course that wont happen.

2. I feel Mat Smith completely lacks personality as the doctor, at least when compared to David Tennant. Mat seems quieter and shows less expression.

3. Amy Pond has honestly not helped the doctor at all since they met, you can say she got him out of problems but when you think back who started those problems? Most likely she did.

1) RTD did that.
2) Personally I'm glad we've got well rid of Tennant's spasmodic shouting.
3) So? Rose created Torchwood.

Answers to your questions
#4 The whole of time and space has been destroyed I don't think a time paradox applies to a universe without time itself

#5 Not to sure about this one ( I'm kinda just creating an excuse for Moffat's writing here) but I guess Amy adsorbed so much time energy that her memory acts as the pandorical does and has an imprint of events in the the universe (such as the doctor) and using the time energy can bring him back (much like the doctor did to "reboot" the universe, or how Rose became omnipotent when she absorbed the whole of the time vortex)

#6 Someone of immense knowledge of the Tardis rigged it so it would explode in such a way to destroy the universe ( a comparison in the 3rd season episode "Smith and Jones" a MRI machine was rigged to destroy the brainwaves of everyone on earth, MRI machines cant regularly do this much like the Tardis can not blow up the universe when blown up conventionally.

Now for some of my own question/thoughts

1. I think I remember prisoner 0 saying something about silence falling in all universes (much like the reality bomb from the season 4 finale) don't really know what that means, and the way Moffat writes I'm sure it wont mean anything. But it could mean another parallel universe story, meaning Rose might come back.

2.Why do sometimes the cracks in time eat people so that they never exist and other times they act as a portal between to parts of space.

3. Another reference to the reality bomb. Why is it that every race including the daleks teamed up to try to stop the universe from being destroyed, but didn't when the whole of creation is threatened by the reality bomb.

4. If the doctor gets erased from history why the fuck is their even an earth for Amy to get married on. The doctor has saved the earth countless times and with out him it would be devastated (as shown in the season 4 episode "Turn Left").

Space-Time was being destroyed. The Earth was the only planet left. Given it's high level of chronaton particles.
All Amy had to do was remember him from that mindwipe, as has already been shown can happen, and the crack energy pulls him across.
Rose isn't coming back. Not ever. That was the entire point of that whole blackboard-scraping episode.
The cracks annhilate BY becoming a portal.
The footie was on. (It's sort of a poor show to criticize past episodes for future episodes conclusions, especially if you're canon-stomping at the time)
Because the Doctor can be replaced by anomalies. All we ever see are the results of the Doctor's actions, not the consequences of his in-actions. It's quite possible that the Universe would be fine without him, given that without him all we're seeing is a wedding happening. At that point, time/the rest of the Universe isn't detailed.

Also, how many echoes does the Doctor leave?

The rest of it is just infuriating, and I'm trying not to be nasty here, but why do you need a season wrapped up in a nice pretty package for you? Take some time to anticipate the next one, think back on what COULD have been right....things like that to actually enjoy the show.

That's what annoys me about RTD so damn much, he's created a bunch of 'fans' that love their 40 minute universe reset and that's not Who, that's Trek. Who changes. All the time. That's the entire point of the show.

"oooh, look there's a plothole!" - Rubbish. Find me a programme on TV that doesn't have at least one.

If you don't like the episode, then fine. But labelling it "TEH WURST EVAH" shows a degree of spite and delusion that's more indicative of you than of the programme.

And it's a fact that Smith is good. That's why he was hired. It's an opinion that he's the worst doctor ever, and one that simply doesn't stand up to any facts. Especially that you've only been able to see the new series properly, so you can't even make judgements on the ones prior to '93.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

I enjoyed it, although I didn't like the time paradox that got the Doctor out of the Pandorica.

One possible soloution: The Doctor invented the Pandorica. He refers to it himself as "a fairy story", but if he had designed it, left it for the others to build and then wiped his own memory. (See Battleship Earth)
He could have also waited for the EH to hit the Pandorica, which gives him time to Vortex out.
He could also have been drawn through the cracks into the TARDIS.

At that point he can simply open the door in the future, travel back in time to when Amelia was in the museum, set up the warning for Rory, wait until that future line catches up which destroys his reason for coming back, reset up the warning and it would have appeared as if the timeline was the one we saw.

 

[Mr Cwtchy]

And it's a fact that Smith is good. That's why he was hired. It's an opinion that he's the worst doctor ever, and one that simply doesn't stand up to any facts. Especially that you've only been able to see the new series properly, so you can't even make judgements on the ones prior to '93.

The same could be said for Davies, Piper, Barrowman and Tennant. All were hired because people thought they were good for the job. So by your logic, all of the above are good.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

That's what pisses me off. Doctor Who is not Back to the Future. Time travelling is the excuse, not the premise. That is a huge change, which angers me on a nerd level. That I am willing to forgive, just because nerds shouldn't have too much influence on stuff. But it's also a bad change, and that disappoints me in a much deeper way. Suddenly Doctor Who isn't scary, because things can be fixed after the fact. It's not tense. Sacrifices mean next to nothing and danger is negligible. That's weaker than before, washed out.

That's RTD's legacy. Straight from the new season 1 finale. Rose resets the Universe.

Moffat has to follow suit, but at least he can do it without destroying the canon of the moment.
Note how the Doctors have been getting more nasty as their regenerations take place though. Baker attacked a companion, Mccoy gambled with their lives, Ecclestone let a race die, Tennant shoved the Family of Blood into Torture loops, Smith hates Humanity at times.
The reason for him doing this is there, and if the Doctor can do these time loops then so can anyone else....like Riversong?

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

And it's a fact that Smith is good. That's why he was hired. It's an opinion that he's the worst doctor ever, and one that simply doesn't stand up to any facts. Especially that you've only been able to see the new series properly, so you can't even make judgements on the ones prior to '93.

The same could be said for Davies, Piper, Barrowman and Tennant. All were hired because people thought they were good for the job. So by your logic, all of the above are good.

Davis wasn't hired, so he isn't. Piper/Barrowman were good at being sidekicks to Tennant. Tennant IS good (having been on stage), but his spasmodic flailing was getting on my nerves.

Davis actually employed himself into the role, went round saying he'd created (Not even re-created) Who, and then got his ass stuck on all that MASSIVE SYMBOLISM he stuck everywhere.

Want to pick a finale full of holes? Sound of Drums That's got more plot-holes than plot.

 

[Miffmoff]

I like the Bill and Ted inspired sequence with the screwdriver

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

Matt Smith just winks and nods and wiggles his nose and warns himself of stuff that hasn't happened yet. I'm saying it right here, right now. Moffat does time travel (or Doctor Who time travel) far worse than Davies. You can quote me on that.

That's because Moffat keeps within canon; RTD just pulls out a fix, declares it fabulous and then rewrites canon to keep it in.

Seriously - One Prostitute can mentally enslave an entire Cyber Army? Doctor is Jesus? Rose can suck in the heart of a star?

 

[Sam G]

Okay, how about this: River Song is the Master.
No, seriously, it makes sense. He's the only person in the universe I can imagine finding out the Doctor's real name, and so once he regenerated (as a woman) he decided to screw with the Doctor's head by pretending to be his wife from the future. Hah, that wacky Master, him and his antics.

Something that bugged me, though: the way Little Amy got deus ex machina'd out before she could actually do anything (aside from opening the pandorica and thus triggering the events that caused the prevention of the destruction of the universe). I wanted to see her going on adventures with her imaginary friend, her older self and her plastic boyfriend from the future and and also technically the past, followed by a heartfelt and heartwarming goodbye! Not just her vanishing off-screen and not getting mentioned again! I mean, the Doctor wasn't even frowning when he said it! It was like, "Hey, guys! Little Amy got removed from existence! *thumbs-up*"

 

[Mr Cwtchy]

And it's a fact that Smith is good. That's why he was hired. It's an opinion that he's the worst doctor ever, and one that simply doesn't stand up to any facts. Especially that you've only been able to see the new series properly, so you can't even make judgements on the ones prior to '93.

The same could be said for Davies, Piper, Barrowman and Tennant. All were hired because people thought they were good for the job. So by your logic, all of the above are good.

Davis wasn't hired, so he isn't. Piper/Barrowman were good at being sidekicks to Tennant. Tennant IS good (having been on stage), but his spasmodic flailing was getting on my nerves.

Davis actually employed himself into the role, went round saying he'd created (Not even re-created) Who, and then got his ass stuck on all that MASSIVE SYMBOLISM he stuck everywhere.

Want to pick a finale full of holes? Sound of Drums That's got more plot-holes than plot.

Rubbish. He was approached by Lorraine Heggessey and Jane Tranter to take charge, hardly 'employing himself'. And I have not once seen him claim to have invented Doctor Who, so I think you're pulling that out of your backside.

If you're going to make ridiculous claims like that, bring up some evidence to support it.

 

[Shemming]

As much as i sort of liked the episode i thought of what would have been better, and a more consistant, instead of the dalek coming back have reapers from series 1 jump out.

You would still have the threat in the future and it would keep more consistant with the rules of timey-wimey stuff.

And congrats on 5k posts