I betrayed my fellow PC gamers...
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Actually, yes, that's what I said. My exact words were "...the PC market didn't exactly put out anything that year that blows it out of the water...", in other words, nothing came out that year was drastically better than Halo. You seem to think you caught me contradicting myself. I fear you are wrong, or just trying to annoy me...Eggo said:
Well, here's a Halo suicide, try doing that with Garry's Mod:Abedeus said:
Oh, and by the way:
Halo > Zelda
it is Halo, see 3:00 for Link with a Plasma Rifle.
This Eggo guy really doesn't seem to get the idea that there are people out there (well informed and learned gamers at that) who may just prefer Halo to some of the things he prefers. Not only that, but the number of people in said classification is a relatively high one. It is here we probably find our problem; Halo was more popular than he wanted it to be. Max Payne is amongst my favourite games, and I own Operation Flashpoint, but cared little for it. I like Halo CE more than both of them. Suck it up.
Well you clearly still feel the urge to make them look extra stupid. At least you agree with it yourself earlier in this post:
Here are some samples of what you can come up with, most are taken from this thread:Eggo said:
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In the "why is halo innovative" thread:
Eggo said:
Btw, I read the introduction part and the halo part of the article, I just didnt know there was a gamer demographic called "bro", or that it was even a word to describe a person. Sorry about that.
You are entitled to your opinion. And there is no big flaw in Halo. It just suffered from many obnoxious people in its fan base blowing it out of proportion.Jandau said:
The Escapists who are usually logical peace mongers are really wound up right now, and there's been a bunch of jerks trolling around who are out for blood.
The best you can do is feel confident on your own beliefs and rights.
This thread actually compelled me to make an account.
I love how people argue about things which are not quantifiable. Jandau, you played it on PC, which in comparison with other PC FPS games, Halo was outdated as soon as it was released. It was behind the curve in terms with innovation and especially level design and story.
However, on the console platform Halo was the saviour of the FPS genre. It changed the genre for the better on the console platform.
The implications however is that on the internet (here) people argue about how good a game Halo actually was. I realise that you have already tried to discredit metacritic, but if you look at the score of Halo on Xbox (97) versus Halo on PC (84), you will see how the game can be seen as average as well as excellent at the same time.
Its all apples and bananas. The context in which PC gamers talk about Halo is vastly different to the context of Console gamers. It causes conflict.
Halo series > Half-life series (on xbox)
Halo series < Half-life series (on PC)
It's not possible to find a single definitive location for the Halo series in general, because Halo-PC is a different game to Halo-xbox. It's all about context, not taste. Taste doesnt have a place in this conversation, and shouldn't. Games, like movies and art, are quantifiable in terms of quality, but not in different contexts.
For the record, I'm a PC gamer first, but I have played all 3 halo games, and the entire HL series. Does anyone remember FPSs on a console before Halo? They were a pile of poo. Personally I feel that Halo had an important contribution to Gaming, because it helped FPSs find another platform where they could flourish. I do not believe that 2007 would have been the year that it was if Halo never made it to Xbox. (Of course I dont believe that Halo would exist if it werent for quake/unreal.)
I love how people argue about things which are not quantifiable. Jandau, you played it on PC, which in comparison with other PC FPS games, Halo was outdated as soon as it was released. It was behind the curve in terms with innovation and especially level design and story.
However, on the console platform Halo was the saviour of the FPS genre. It changed the genre for the better on the console platform.
The implications however is that on the internet (here) people argue about how good a game Halo actually was. I realise that you have already tried to discredit metacritic, but if you look at the score of Halo on Xbox (97) versus Halo on PC (84), you will see how the game can be seen as average as well as excellent at the same time.
Its all apples and bananas. The context in which PC gamers talk about Halo is vastly different to the context of Console gamers. It causes conflict.
Halo series > Half-life series (on xbox)
Halo series < Half-life series (on PC)
It's not possible to find a single definitive location for the Halo series in general, because Halo-PC is a different game to Halo-xbox. It's all about context, not taste. Taste doesnt have a place in this conversation, and shouldn't. Games, like movies and art, are quantifiable in terms of quality, but not in different contexts.
For the record, I'm a PC gamer first, but I have played all 3 halo games, and the entire HL series. Does anyone remember FPSs on a console before Halo? They were a pile of poo. Personally I feel that Halo had an important contribution to Gaming, because it helped FPSs find another platform where they could flourish. I do not believe that 2007 would have been the year that it was if Halo never made it to Xbox. (Of course I dont believe that Halo would exist if it werent for quake/unreal.)
Halo was a good game. I enjoyed them, all three of them. It's just not the messiah of video gaming that people keep making it out to be. I still play it, a lot. But everytime I see or hear someone mention how meaningless their existance is without halo, I get a little angry. It steals attention away from games that really deserve it.
But, everyone does get their own opinion.
But, everyone does get their own opinion.
You're the one who's still here after several pages trying to argue semantics and make anyone who like Halo seem idiotic. Why not simply allow us our opinion without jumping on how some dude words his post, and move on to yet another post about how the PC is superior to consoles, or how much you just love Half Life.Eggo said:
Several months ago, i posted a topic requesting the banning of peoples opinions on the Halo games, as nothing ever comes by it. The thread was locked. I still hold that opinion. The one bad thing that has ever come from Halo is:
1. Higher Xbox sales
2. Regenerating health
3. Too much bitching about it on forums.
And I personally don't think the first two are bad things in the first place. However, the way some people go on, it sounds like these two things are equal to defacing the Dead Sea Scrolls with porny drawings.
Because your points are derived by your assuming your conclusions; there's no rational way to refute your points because your points are not rational to begin with. That's why people are trying to grasp at your motives... your points are all subjective, but you treat them as having objective meaning and ignore everything that marks them out as subjective. The decision tree on that comes to "is crazy", "is fanboy", or "is trolling".Eggo said:
If you consider Halo mediocre, fine; I have no problem with that, everyone has their own tastes. It's when you insist that I should consider Halo mediocre too, and provide no objective basis for me to do so that is more compelling than my subjective experience with Halo, that I have a problem with your posts.
-- Steve
Eggo Ive real through this thread and I dont know what youre trying to get at. Youre advocating the PC, that I get, but as for the initial question by Jandau, whats your point?Eggo said: