I don't understand; why so much man-hate?

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MercenaryCanary

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Sparkly-elf said:
So..... is the breast-war going to start all over again?

Sigh, I made this thread about men. Not tits.
Wow. Amazing. We found a link to these two subjects already!

I think I had one moment of connection with my girl friend while playing L4D. She was playing as Zoey, and I was playing as Bill. She gets tackled by a hunter, and I ran over to help her out, and then get attacked by about 3 zombies. We were playing on Expert, and I didn't want Jessie to be dead so soon, so I ran, ignoring the zombies that were quickly eating away at my health bar, and knocked the hunter off of her, delivering a head shot to her attacker. She gets up, having taken no damage what so ever for some reason, and lets loose a burst to my attackers. She hadn't used her health pack yet, so I was about to ask her for one, and before I could say anything, she was all ready in the safe room and had alerted the horde.
I've never laughed as hard since then.
 
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Sparkly-elf said:
Questions
What is the most sexist thing you ever heard?

As a woman, what do you love about any man in particular in your life?

Why are so many women so quick to jump on the sexism-wagon?

And men, do you ever really get appreciated by women for being nice?

1) I haven't heard much sexist things.

2) not a woman, can't answer the second question.

3) Because they love any reason why they should have better lives, when in fact they have pretty sweet lives.

4) Never, the most I got was a "Thanks." It seems that all the girls I know only go out with guys with cars or guys who can get beer and drugs. But that was in the city where I used to live, although its pretty much the same where I live now, in Vermont. Although there are a lot less drugs.
 

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Sparkly-elf said:
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What is the most sexist thing you ever heard?

Why are so many women so quick to jump on the sexism-wagon?

And men, do you ever really get appreciated by women for being nice?
1. How many women does it take to screw in a lightbulb? Cook in the dark *****!
2. Same reason for the racism bandwagon, its too easy.
3. No.
 

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I don't hate men because they are men, I don't hate females because they are female. I just hate humans in general.

Men get very little appreciation for being nice, and get their sexy time cut ten-fold.
 

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Can i ask a question to the women?

Why is it that the nice guys get turned down by nice girls, then get her crying to him when she gets hurt by some asshole, and then she just goes off with another asshole again.... why do nice girls do that to themselves? (and to us actually)
 

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I could answer that, its just the human psyche in play.


They are seeking shelter, and guidance for their emotions. And until the good god "Pulls up his skirt, and feels for the coconuts if he has any" she will most likely keep going out with pricks oblivious to the fact it is her fault.
 

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gregatron08 said:
Can i ask a question to the women?

Why is it that the nice guys get turned down by nice girls, then get her crying to him when she gets hurt by some asshole, and then she just goes off with another asshole again.... why do nice girls do that to themselves? (and to us actually)
The asshole has a very subtle way of dealing with her, you see.

He puts her down infront of a group, to make him look superior and her look like an idiot. She cannot defend herself, because the group will always agree with the asshole (he's usually funny and sarcastic, but scathing in that way)

Then, when they are alone and she is all ready to get fired up, he tells her how amazing she is andonderful and nice and sweet and how she understands him.

This makes her feel stronger for him, because he picked her up when she was down, even though he put her there to begin with. This makes her feelings towards him stronger.

This is why girls don't understand the nice-guy vibe.

And I hate it. The nice guy is the sweetest thing in the world, love him and he loves you back just as much, sometimes more. The nice guy is easy to get along with, gentle, intelligent, often very funny if not that charismatic.

The asshole offers the promise of domination. The nice guy offers shyness.

Girls themselves are shy (depends, of course), so someone dominating will have more of a chance.

In short, if you are a nice guy, get out there and flirt with her, dammit. Make her feel more special than that asshole. Because that's all she wants.

If you are a girl, and you've found a nice guy you like, don't mind his shyness, just go for it.
 

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Nice men are appreciated, but most women I know won't date them. Nice men are viewed as too soft and incapable of protecting or providing comfort.

My dad is the nicest guy I know, poor guy can't land a date with a hooker paying for her time and then NOT sleeping with her.

My uncle is a prick, and he can have any woman he wants.
ya Its a sad truth in the dating game 9/10 times it seems the http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAj7DcSQeWY this sucks for me because I pride myself on being polite and well manered but I know someone will eventualy come along who likes a nice guy.
 

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Hehe.....As a good friend of mine said... "We all do stupid/ghastly/perverted things sometimes, Just men make it so bloody obvious."

I'm a guy by the way.
 

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Sparkly-elf said:
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What is the most sexist thing you ever heard?
I don't know if this is necessarily sexist or homophobic or both, but I get really frustrated when people assume that just because I'm a lesbian, I must hate men.

What a load of crap! Some of my best mates ever have been guys. Just because I'm not attracted, doesn't mean I can't appreciate them as bloody people. Just because I prefer women, doesn't mean I'm a feminist, either. Ugh.

But more than women being portrayed as sex objects and all that, it's women hating men for stupid reasons that gets to me more. I'm really sick of it, as well as people somehow believing that women are always the abused ones in an abusive relationship.

A guy I knew was getting the shit beaten out of him by his girlfriend and nearly no one believed him, mostly because he was 6'4 and she barely came up to his shoulder and was this quiet little meek thing whenever they were out together. Poor bastard.. And when he broke up with her, his mates gave him hell about it, because she was 'such a hot little Asian girl, what more could you want?'

*sigh*

I got sidetracked. But yeah, I'm sick of man-hate. I'm sick of some women being snooty and thinking that every woman is a delicate but strong, independent little flower that is special and amazing and always better than a man and that we all deserve equality, but women are better, so we deserve more just because we can pop out babies.

It's like Animal Farm, but stupider.

.. I really shouldn't be ranting before my morning cup of tea. inb4 edit. Ugh.
 

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Noamuth said:
Sparkly-elf said:
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What is the most sexist thing you ever heard?
I don't know if this is necessarily sexist or homophobic or both, but I get really frustrated when people assume that just because I'm a lesbian, I must hate men.

What a load of crap! Some of my best mates ever have been guys. Just because I'm not attracted, doesn't mean I can't appreciate them as bloody people. Just because I prefer women, doesn't mean I'm a feminist, either. Ugh.

But more than women being portrayed as sex objects and all that, it's women hating men for stupid reasons that gets to me more. I'm really sick of it, as well as people somehow believing that women are always the abused ones in an abusive relationship.

A guy I knew was getting the shit beaten out of him by his girlfriend and nearly no one believed him, mostly because he was 6'4 and she barely came up to his shoulder and was this quiet little meek thing whenever they were out together. Poor bastard.. And when he broke up with her, his mates gave him hell about it, because she was 'such a hot little Asian girl, what more could you want?'

*sigh*

I got sidetracked. But yeah, I'm sick of man-hate. I'm sick of some women being snooty and thinking that every woman is a delicate but strong, independent little flower that is special and amazing and always better than a man and that we all deserve equality, but women are better, so we deserve more just because we can pop out babies.

It's like Animal Farm, but stupider.

.. I really shouldn't be ranting before my morning cup of tea. inb4 edit. Ugh.
OMG I have a friend who is also a lesbien and she get's that ALL the time! And it annoys me because we're the only two girls in out little group of male mates. I mean, what the hell! Being homosexual has nothing to do with hating the opposite gender!
 

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Sparkly-elf said:
Noamuth said:
Sparkly-elf said:
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What is the most sexist thing you ever heard?
I don't know if this is necessarily sexist or homophobic or both, but I get really frustrated when people assume that just because I'm a lesbian, I must hate men.

What a load of crap! Some of my best mates ever have been guys. Just because I'm not attracted, doesn't mean I can't appreciate them as bloody people. Just because I prefer women, doesn't mean I'm a feminist, either. Ugh.

But more than women being portrayed as sex objects and all that, it's women hating men for stupid reasons that gets to me more. I'm really sick of it, as well as people somehow believing that women are always the abused ones in an abusive relationship.

A guy I knew was getting the shit beaten out of him by his girlfriend and nearly no one believed him, mostly because he was 6'4 and she barely came up to his shoulder and was this quiet little meek thing whenever they were out together. Poor bastard.. And when he broke up with her, his mates gave him hell about it, because she was 'such a hot little Asian girl, what more could you want?'

*sigh*

I got sidetracked. But yeah, I'm sick of man-hate. I'm sick of some women being snooty and thinking that every woman is a delicate but strong, independent little flower that is special and amazing and always better than a man and that we all deserve equality, but women are better, so we deserve more just because we can pop out babies.

It's like Animal Farm, but stupider.

.. I really shouldn't be ranting before my morning cup of tea. inb4 edit. Ugh.
OMG I have a friend who is also a lesbien and she get's that ALL the time! And it annoys me because we're the only two girls in out little group of male mates. I mean, what the hell! Being homosexual has nothing to do with hating the opposite gender!
Exactly.. It's very annoying. >.<
 

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Noamuth said:
Sparkly-elf said:
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What is the most sexist thing you ever heard?
I don't know if this is necessarily sexist or homophobic or both, but I get really frustrated when people assume that just because I'm a lesbian, I must hate men.

What a load of crap! Some of my best mates ever have been guys. Just because I'm not attracted, doesn't mean I can't appreciate them as bloody people. Just because I prefer women, doesn't mean I'm a feminist, either. Ugh.

But more than women being portrayed as sex objects and all that, it's women hating men for stupid reasons that gets to me more. I'm really sick of it, as well as people somehow believing that women are always the abused ones in an abusive relationship.

A guy I knew was getting the shit beaten out of him by his girlfriend and nearly no one believed him, mostly because he was 6'4 and she barely came up to his shoulder and was this quiet little meek thing whenever they were out together. Poor bastard.. And when he broke up with her, his mates gave him hell about it, because she was 'such a hot little Asian girl, what more could you want?'

*sigh*

I got sidetracked. But yeah, I'm sick of man-hate. I'm sick of some women being snooty and thinking that every woman is a delicate but strong, independent little flower that is special and amazing and always better than a man and that we all deserve equality, but women are better, so we deserve more just because we can pop out babies.

It's like Animal Farm, but stupider.

.. I really shouldn't be ranting before my morning cup of tea. inb4 edit. Ugh.
... i don't know whether it's natural or man made, but it's really pissing me off how the standards between genders are. it seems there's always this ideal made of either gender that binds us in a society or other common group. people have gotten the idea from the public and it is as if it is imprinted in their heads. if you sway from this ideal as either gender, people will put you down.

and so we have a situation where individuals are assumed to be things they aren't because they have opinions in a somehow related field. like the association between feminists and lesbians or that a man can't get beaten by a woman. this of course goes for everything else that differs just the slightest from the ideal. that's it, that's the greatest problem of our present day world: intolerance and assumptive/wrongful judgment.

the solution would of course be to change the ideal. the problem in that is that society won't let anyone change anything. i am curious as if a society was created elsewhere (say, an island) and people start migrating, if it would be possible to change those same people into a new culture; essentially a new template or skeleton for society where the rules would be different.

there is of course more than this to the topic; this is barely the tip of the iceberg, but the thought itself is an interesting one. i'm not going to write out more since i don't get involved in a philosophical discussion with people who might misinterpret what i say. plus, this is getting slightly more off topic than i initially thought it would.
 

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Sparkly-elf said:
So..... is the breast-war going to start all over again?

Sigh, I made this thread about men. Not tits.
You want my commentary on men? Here it is: http://aspergers.dasaku.net/?p=566

The way I see it, assuming all men are trying to be sexist is sexist in itself. Instead of yelling at them, some men might feel a bit insecure about talking about what they find sexy in a woman. What Germaine Greer couldn't answer for me, Leigh Alexander did (sorta) in her comment on this post.

My point with that post is that some men's philosophy about talking about Men's Issues is "The first rule of Men's Issues is that you DO NOT TALK about MEN'S ISSUES". Women have a whole lot of stupid to deal with in their lives which is annoying, but at least feminist movements have made it "cool" and "edgy" to talk about women's issues seriously. Whereas all men have is stuff like "The Alphabet of Manliness" by Maddox which should have been titled "The Alphabet of Manchildness" because it is not exactly a true equivalent of something like The Feminine Mystique. Of course, Maddox had no such intention, and I realise it's his job to promote his somewhat regressive philosophy to his fans. But I really would like to see a serious book examining men's identity in the modern world, something which would have as much of a cultural impact as The Feminine Mystique or even The Female Eunuch of Germaine Greer's pen.
 

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Sparkly-elf said:
You know, with every message-board comes the inevitable gender war/sexist thread stating how men are evil because of how women are portrayed in games.

I don't know about you, but that argument seems ridiculous to me.

So, I started this thread to state the fact, and ask some hard questions.

Facts
I think men are wonderful. As a woman, there is no-one I feel more secure around than my boyfriend, and I KNOW FOR A FACT that though he does love his large breasts, me; being decidedly small in that area, does not affect him. He would never, EVER expect me to suddenly grow into a double D and would never even want it.

Because he loves me for me. Not breasts, or booty. Sure he likes them, but there is much more to him than just his erotic fantasises.

And that goes for all men. Sure, you guys may like your big whatevers or your small whatevers, but every single man I know doesn't immediatly go for it. The men I know love their women because they can talk to them, be supported by them, sit down and have a laugh and play games and just relax with them.

Men treasure women, given the right circumstances. And nothing makes a woman feel more special than her man (or any man in particular).

The most sexist thing my boyfriend ever said to me was "I would hate it if you earned more than me". That pissed me right off, but really, I know he said that because he doesn't want to feel like a bum scabbing off my wages. He cares about me, and wants to support me. You would be surprised how many men actually WANT to support their lovers.

Obviously, abuse does exist, and yes women do get killed or beaten or emotionally abused by their spouse, but that all stems from the circumstances of the individual, be in their past or in their present, and these people need alot of help. But it exists in women too, men have emotion regardless of what either gender may think, and if you put a man down or kick him even after he's failed, he's gonna hurt.

Abuse exists, I do not deny that. But it isn't only men.

It may be sexist of me, but as a woman, I expect my lover to protect me from harm, I expect him to support me when I'm at my most depressed.

And he will, without question. Regardless if I have big boobs or a size zero waist or not.

The point is, men are capable of love, despite what the thoughts of many are. I guess this thread is to point out their good aspects :3. You poor babes have been recieving so much bile as of late.

Questions
What is the most sexist thing you ever heard?

As a woman, what do you love about any man in particular in your life?

Why are so many women so quick to jump on the sexism-wagon?

And men, do you ever really get appreciated by women for being nice?
Overall, I'm glad you started this thread. Its something, as a guy, that I've thought on for a considerable amount of time. Why do we treat people the way we do, based on physical qualification? Men may have a thing between their legs and women may have a different thing between their legs but ultimately we're still the same species with the vast majority of our genetics being identical.. And yet so much crap arises out of these petty differences.

On to your questions.

What is the most sexist thing you ever heard? Haven't heard any serious sexist remarks. there are always the comedians being funny and the stupid friends making clear jokes. I truly haven't witnessed any sexist remarks that I can recall.. Though I do feel like there is a stigma against men. Men are the mean, crude, rude, abrasive assholes that abuse women constantly.. I don't see much to support that, and I am actually pretty insulted that I am painted with that stereotype just because of whats between my legs. (and to a lesser extent because I sport a trimmed distribution of facial hair)

As a woman, what do you love about any man in particular in your life? Cant comment.. I am a male. I wish I could hear positive things about me and "my gender" from women, though. There is too much negativity around gender and sexuality (two different concepts, but both related in this case)

Why are so many women so quick to jump on the sexism-wagon? Because 1 in 3 have or will be raped. Its terrible.. but there are also similar statistics related to abuse and male victims. I think it all stems out of fear, for the most part.. And its unfortunate because there are plenty of men out there, or at least I'd hope I'm not the only one, who have no desire to hurt women and would love to find one willing to be in a relationship with males of our "mindset".

And men, do you ever really get appreciated by women for being nice? Not really... Maybe I'm not doing it right, or I consider myself to be nicer than I actually am.. Though I have been called a "very sweet guy", "kind," and "sensitive".. Though it doesn't seem to be indicative of my "date-ability."
oh God not the BFF necklaces!

I was just kidding, if you really feel that uncomfortable about it you might as well just say something

are you claiming that women don't stare at men?
 

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Assassinator said:
Phyroxis said:
Breats are not, and never were, sex organs. They have been idolized by western cultures as sex-related organs for reasons unknown. Breasts are there to feed children, thats it.
That's the answer right there ;-) And not just in Westren culture, almost all around the globe there are examples of that. For example these little dolls:

As you can see, big boobies, a fine piece of ass *cough*. It's pretty easy to figure out way, you say it yourself: they're feeding baby's, or in short: it's about fertility. Women have been worshipped for that for millenia, although not always so....obvious. Stone-age man was honest, as you can see ;-)
its all about whats best for the children
 

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Oggling breasts is being disrespectful?

Do you feel shame whenever you turn your head to check out an attractive male?
It's not disrespectful when you look at his figure, head or something like that.

Looking at sex organs is disrespectful. Same as staring at someone's ass.

Also, it wasn't just gazing at breasts. I think if he could, he would move 15 cm to them and drool all over. Sorry for the mental picture, but that just aggrovates me that much.
You can't really blame a guy for checking her out if she's at all attractive. Any man with a healthy libido is going to be guilty of that many, many times.
 

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I admit I have Knight-In-Shiny-Armor syndrome, and I try to be a genuinely nice guy, but it doesn't work out as often as I'd hope.

Then again, if I had a chick that didn't appreciate my attempts at being Mr. Nice Guy is she worth it? And having the creaky rusty armor hasn't helped all that much except win female friends who won't go out with me, but will talk.
 

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The most sexist thing i've ever heard? Not sure, but in class one time we had an "Adam vs. Eve" debate which ended up being a giant ball of sexism and BS.

I'm a dude

Why do women use sexism? Same reason they use sex, or their looks, or anything else. It just gives them more power.

No, I never get rewarded for being nice, not like I expect to be. In fact, for most of my life I have been punished for being the nice guy, in some way or another.