Is marriage worth it?

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ShadowKatt

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Divorce is the only reason I'm not getting married, for all the reasons listed previously. I know I'll never get a fair say in the court system, I know I'll lose most of what I walked in with, and I know that it will follow me around for years afterwards so I couldn't move on even if I wanted to. Until the legal system says "All bets are off. You're divorced, deal with it yourself.", I won't do it. Not a popular outlook on the subject, but by far the safest.

Of course, if I was a woman, I'd be exploiting the hell out of it, marrying and divorcing men left and right and getting a free ride my whole life.
 

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pantsoffdanceoff said:
Oh wow, talk about over thinking about it. But this can pretty much sum it up.
[img/]http://www.teesforall.com/images/Humor_Wedding_Game_Over_Black_Shirt.jpg[/img]
QFT. have you ever heard of the 90 50 0 rule? when a couple is dating, the man wins 90 percent of the time because the girl is in love with him. when this couple is engaged its a 50 50 union. but after marriage the man will never win again. marriage is slavery.
Where in the hell did this rule come into existence? It was never like this when I was a kid...but my dad was old-fashioned and would never let my mom have a say in somethings...like how I was raised...but I would never cut my bf out of any big decisions we have to make...and he gets he way all the damn time...so this rule is complete bs.
 

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NekoiHiokans said:
grimsprice said:
pantsoffdanceoff said:
Oh wow, talk about over thinking about it. But this can pretty much sum it up.
[img/]http://www.teesforall.com/images/Humor_Wedding_Game_Over_Black_Shirt.jpg[/img]
QFT. have you ever heard of the 90 50 0 rule? when a couple is dating, the man wins 90 percent of the time because the girl is in love with him. when this couple is engaged its a 50 50 union. but after marriage the man will never win again. marriage is slavery.
Where in the hell did this rule come into existence? It was never like this when I was a kid...but my dad was old-fashioned and would never let my mom have a say in somethings...like how I was raised...but I would never cut my bf out of any big decisions we have to make...and he gets he way all the damn time...so this rule is complete bs.
True True its more of a 'guideline to your expectations' than a code or rule. But remember... you're an awesome internet chick who rocks out on The Escapist... a normal fembot you are not.
 

Frankydee

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When I was young and stupid I'd given it some thought myself and actually had someone I was going to ask at some point (we ended up splitting up before it came to that).

Being a little bit older I'm actually glad I never did. I see young people get married and divorce in less than a year and guy's who's lives are all the rougher for it over legal things like alimony and child support even though the ex wife has been unfaithful to begin with and makes off with most of his property.

I guess in the end, our judicial system just makes the whole thing not worth it.
 

leviathanmisha

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grimsprice said:
NekoiHiokans said:
grimsprice said:
pantsoffdanceoff said:
Oh wow, talk about over thinking about it. But this can pretty much sum it up.
[img/]http://www.teesforall.com/images/Humor_Wedding_Game_Over_Black_Shirt.jpg[/img]
QFT. have you ever heard of the 90 50 0 rule? when a couple is dating, the man wins 90 percent of the time because the girl is in love with him. when this couple is engaged its a 50 50 union. but after marriage the man will never win again. marriage is slavery.
Where in the hell did this rule come into existence? It was never like this when I was a kid...but my dad was old-fashioned and would never let my mom have a say in somethings...like how I was raised...but I would never cut my bf out of any big decisions we have to make...and he gets he way all the damn time...so this rule is complete bs.
True True its more of a 'guideline to your expectations' than a code or rule. But remember... you're an awesome internet chick who rocks out on The Escapist... a normal fembot you are not.
lol, yeah...true as well...I really would never expect anything out of my bf...maybe it's because we are very similar and I know how he can be...I honestly think I have one of the best relationships anyone can have.
 

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I don't have much of an opinion on marraige since I'm a waaaaayyyysss away from it at the moment, but I would hope that if I do get married it would last for years and years and years.

Of course there are the risks of divorce and all the complications coming from said divorce, but if you truely love the person and cherish them and yadda yadda yadda then marriage can work.
 

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NekoiHiokans said:
grimsprice said:
NekoiHiokans said:
grimsprice said:
pantsoffdanceoff said:
Oh wow, talk about over thinking about it. But this can pretty much sum it up.
[img/]http://www.teesforall.com/images/Humor_Wedding_Game_Over_Black_Shirt.jpg[/img]
QFT. have you ever heard of the 90 50 0 rule? when a couple is dating, the man wins 90 percent of the time because the girl is in love with him. when this couple is engaged its a 50 50 union. but after marriage the man will never win again. marriage is slavery.
Where in the hell did this rule come into existence? It was never like this when I was a kid...but my dad was old-fashioned and would never let my mom have a say in somethings...like how I was raised...but I would never cut my bf out of any big decisions we have to make...and he gets he way all the damn time...so this rule is complete bs.
True True its more of a 'guideline to your expectations' than a code or rule. But remember... you're an awesome internet chick who rocks out on The Escapist... a normal fembot you are not.
lol, yeah...true as well...I really would never expect anything out of my bf...maybe it's because we are very similar and I know how he can be...I honestly think I have one of the best relationships anyone can have.
wow. congratulations, i've only ever known one couple that were that mature and awesome. its rare but it happens, i'd prefer to keep my rule and say you were blessed with unicorn piss at birth. but thats just me.
 

leviathanmisha

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grimsprice said:
NekoiHiokans said:
grimsprice said:
NekoiHiokans said:
grimsprice said:
pantsoffdanceoff said:
Oh wow, talk about over thinking about it. But this can pretty much sum it up.
[img/]http://www.teesforall.com/images/Humor_Wedding_Game_Over_Black_Shirt.jpg[/img]
QFT. have you ever heard of the 90 50 0 rule? when a couple is dating, the man wins 90 percent of the time because the girl is in love with him. when this couple is engaged its a 50 50 union. but after marriage the man will never win again. marriage is slavery.
Where in the hell did this rule come into existence? It was never like this when I was a kid...but my dad was old-fashioned and would never let my mom have a say in somethings...like how I was raised...but I would never cut my bf out of any big decisions we have to make...and he gets he way all the damn time...so this rule is complete bs.
True True its more of a 'guideline to your expectations' than a code or rule. But remember... you're an awesome internet chick who rocks out on The Escapist... a normal fembot you are not.
lol, yeah...true as well...I really would never expect anything out of my bf...maybe it's because we are very similar and I know how he can be...I honestly think I have one of the best relationships anyone can have.
wow. congratulations, i've only ever known one couple that were that mature and awesome. its rare but it happens, i'd prefer to keep my rule and say you were blessed with unicorn piss at birth. but thats just me.
I really don't want to imagine the thought of unicorn piss being showered over me...it's just...odd. Now would believe me if I told that we have a very mature relationship and I'm only a senior in High School and he's a sophomore in College? And we've been dating since I was a freshman.
 

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NekoiHiokans said:
I really don't want to imagine the thought of unicorn piss being showered over me...it's just...odd. Now would believe me if I told that we have a very mature relationship and I'm only a senior in High School and he's a sophomore in College? And we've been dating since I was a freshman.
wow. i can't believe you were that mature as a freshman... what planet do you come from? i know 48 year olds that are less mature than that.
 

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grimsprice said:
NekoiHiokans said:
I really don't want to imagine the thought of unicorn piss being showered over me...it's just...odd. Now would believe me if I told that we have a very mature relationship and I'm only a senior in High School and he's a sophomore in College? And we've been dating since I was a freshman.
wow. i can't believe you were that mature as a freshman... what planet do you come from? i know 48 year olds that are less mature than that.
I had a very mature father, he was pretty much my idol growing up. It takes a lot for a 54 year old with no legs to hit a home-run out of a wheelchair.
 

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Why do people keep saying that marriage gives you regular sex? That's so not true it isn't even funny. Many women today are taught, whether implied or explicitly, that sex is a tool to get men, and once you get them and pop out a little 18-year annuity or two, then they don't have to ever have it again.
Just like women are taught that all men want from them is sex. And saying that unmarried, immature, college-aged men frequently prove that correct isn't sexist either.

No, it's not sexist in the least. You are right, most immature, college-aged men look to women for only one thing. However, as a poster above me has pointed out.....college-aged girls are little hornballs too. Come this Fall I could walk around my university's Sorority Row and pick up anything with two legs. The shit flows both ways.

It's not just one gender's fault that marriages fail, however I can only speak from the guy's perspective because....I'm a guy. It's just that if you actually look at the state of marriages and divorces in America, it seems to be stacked on the side of the women.

Thing is, I WANT to get married. I want to find someone who can match me, who I can spend the rest of my life with. I want that love. But I am not being dumb about it. Marriage is like forming a corporation....actually it's EXACTLY like forming a corporation according to the laws of this land, with both partners splitting everything 50/50 and hopefully contributing equally as well. Thing is, I know waaaaay too many women around my age and while I could love them, I wouldn't trust them to put gas in their own car let alone ownership of my heart. I know I wouldn't cheat. I know I wouldn't try and screw her over if things went south. But I have seen too many people lash out when hurt and try and hurt the other person worse.....and when it comes to something as (supposedly) binding as Marriage.....?
 

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NekoiHiokans said:
grimsprice said:
NekoiHiokans said:
I really don't want to imagine the thought of unicorn piss being showered over me...it's just...odd. Now would believe me if I told that we have a very mature relationship and I'm only a senior in High School and he's a sophomore in College? And we've been dating since I was a freshman.
wow. i can't believe you were that mature as a freshman... what planet do you come from? i know 48 year olds that are less mature than that.
I had a very mature father, he was pretty much my idol growing up. It takes a lot for a 54 year old with no legs to hit a home-run out of a wheelchair.
oh God. please don't tell me your mom just won her fight against breast cancer and your brother is 14 and a junior in college. because your family already has enough bamf points between you and your dad.
 

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grimsprice said:
NekoiHiokans said:
grimsprice said:
NekoiHiokans said:
I really don't want to imagine the thought of unicorn piss being showered over me...it's just...odd. Now would believe me if I told that we have a very mature relationship and I'm only a senior in High School and he's a sophomore in College? And we've been dating since I was a freshman.
wow. i can't believe you were that mature as a freshman... what planet do you come from? i know 48 year olds that are less mature than that.
I had a very mature father, he was pretty much my idol growing up. It takes a lot for a 54 year old with no legs to hit a home-run out of a wheelchair.
oh God. please don't tell me your mom just won her fight against breast cancer and your brother is 14 and a junior in college. because your family already has enough bamf points between you and your dad.
Well, your only right on one thing...my mom just went into remission from having breast cancer. And I have no siblings...just me...my spoiled self!
 

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Somebody said something significant.

"It's important to find somebody you can like as well as love."

That's it. That is freaking it. It's easy to "love" people (especially family members and the like), but LIKING them is based on other qualities, like being treated fairly as an equal and having a mutual respect for one another. Romantic love is ONE part of what makes a marriage work. Seems to me that people need a lot more than just that.

And both partners need to agree to not play mind games with one another. Say what it is you want, and don't let problems fester without giving the other person a chance to change.
 

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Marriage only has meaning if you give it meaning. Personally, I don't see marriage as anything very important, I see it as a social contract one I could live with or without. To someone else, marriage might be a very large deal. And believe it or not, some people actually cause their marriage to fail by putting to much emphasis on the act. Marriage either completely changes a relationship depending on the couples' views or doesn't. Some people want that change and some can't handle it. Really, I think it's a matter of what you believe marriage to be. Me? I'd rather have a good old-fashioned Wiccan hand-fasting.
 

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NekoiHiokans said:
grimsprice said:
NekoiHiokans said:
grimsprice said:
NekoiHiokans said:
I really don't want to imagine the thought of unicorn piss being showered over me...it's just...odd. Now would believe me if I told that we have a very mature relationship and I'm only a senior in High School and he's a sophomore in College? And we've been dating since I was a freshman.
wow. i can't believe you were that mature as a freshman... what planet do you come from? i know 48 year olds that are less mature than that.
I had a very mature father, he was pretty much my idol growing up. It takes a lot for a 54 year old with no legs to hit a home-run out of a wheelchair.
oh God. please don't tell me your mom just won her fight against breast cancer and your brother is 14 and a junior in college. because your family already has enough bamf points between you and your dad.
Well, your only right on one thing...my mom just went into remission from having breast cancer. And I have no siblings...just me...my spoiled self!
hahaha. youre trolling me. took me to long to figure out. good one katie. lol
 

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Nurb said:
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Just on the "What makes you think you deserve a good woman?" point. Too many times I have heard women going on about how they want a rich, handsome blah blah blah man and how they only deserve the best. Then you look at these chicks and they are fat, ugly, stupid, no skills or talents. Basically if their dream guy came along, he would not look at these women twice.

But anyway, marriage is a fucking joke. What is worse is now these de facto partnerships. Where if you bang the same person for 2-3 years in a row then they are entitled to half your shit (or at least half the stuff you got within those years) so say you were saving up for a house then after you get with her you buy the house, she lives with you in that house, even though she is putting no $$ towards it. If you break up even if by her cheating on you, she is entitled to half the fucking house.
I'm warning you, you better edit that sexist gem out before nil catches it.
You'll be in trouble then.
Being critical of women isn't sexist. He swore more than I did, but its a big thing that guys get angry about. Like we're told we're lucky if we even get a woman to marry us, and to shut up and deal with the fact that men have more to lose in a divorce. It's zero risk for one gender and that's wrong
It's zero risk because for some awful reason, the court system thinks that a mother is still the most 'nurturing' figure in a kids life, which is absolute BS, and women in general are still viewed as more 'needy' than men (No idea why, that 'delicate little flower' image can really suck sometimes).
The women that know this will take full advantage of the situation, since courts don't exactly look to see which parent really would be better off having the child for a majority of the time.
The legal system needs to catch up more than anything.

Personally, people don't seem to communicate that well with each other, and they don't want to wait either.
Where Avykins misses though, is while you do have the women who don't have much going for them begging for the perfect husband, you have men that want the trophy wife and have little going for them either. People want what they can't have and let that mindset get too carried away.
The idea of the 'perfect partner' is being bastardized. It's rarely a personal insight into what a person really wants or what would be good for them, just what a society says they need.
It's also more socially acceptable to get a divorce these days, so people really take it for granted.

To OP: The mindset of whomever said that men don't deserve a good wife is a true idiot. 'Good' is subjective to the person, and it seems the people pointing the finger at men hold some sort of contempt for them in an over-all perspective.
Men still have the 'power' image, and women still have the 'nurturing' (secondary) image, and most women would still take the 'nurturing' role over the 'power' role. That is what will set men and women apart in the job aspect of things, even though there are a good deal of men taking the 'nurturing' role and women taking the 'power' role. Priorities just seem to differ in that respect, and a lot of the time the nurturing, or secondary, role doesn't pay as much as a power role.
Obviously that isn't true for every single person or every single role, but overall all it would seem that men are more likely to take a power role and women a nurturing role based on comfort level.
In some ways, men lock themselves into what obligations they are 'supposed' to have.
If they really want that changed, they are going to have to fight for it.
 

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grimsprice said:
NekoiHiokans said:
grimsprice said:
NekoiHiokans said:
grimsprice said:
NekoiHiokans said:
I really don't want to imagine the thought of unicorn piss being showered over me...it's just...odd. Now would believe me if I told that we have a very mature relationship and I'm only a senior in High School and he's a sophomore in College? And we've been dating since I was a freshman.
wow. i can't believe you were that mature as a freshman... what planet do you come from? i know 48 year olds that are less mature than that.
I had a very mature father, he was pretty much my idol growing up. It takes a lot for a 54 year old with no legs to hit a home-run out of a wheelchair.
oh God. please don't tell me your mom just won her fight against breast cancer and your brother is 14 and a junior in college. because your family already has enough bamf points between you and your dad.
Well, your only right on one thing...my mom just went into remission from having breast cancer. And I have no siblings...just me...my spoiled self!
hahaha. youre trolling me. took me to long to figure out. good one katie. lol
Umm...no I'm not...my name is Christina...Katie is the name of my Art teacher...
 

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NekoiHiokans said:
grimsprice said:
NekoiHiokans said:
grimsprice said:
NekoiHiokans said:
grimsprice said:
NekoiHiokans said:
I really don't want to imagine the thought of unicorn piss being showered over me...it's just...odd. Now would believe me if I told that we have a very mature relationship and I'm only a senior in High School and he's a sophomore in College? And we've been dating since I was a freshman.
wow. i can't believe you were that mature as a freshman... what planet do you come from? i know 48 year olds that are less mature than that.
I had a very mature father, he was pretty much my idol growing up. It takes a lot for a 54 year old with no legs to hit a home-run out of a wheelchair.
oh God. please don't tell me your mom just won her fight against breast cancer and your brother is 14 and a junior in college. because your family already has enough bamf points between you and your dad.
Well, your only right on one thing...my mom just went into remission from having breast cancer. And I have no siblings...just me...my spoiled self!
hahaha. youre trolling me. took me to long to figure out. good one katy. lol
Umm...no I'm not...my name is Christina...Katie is the name of my Art teacher...
you obviously didn't get the katy reference... http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Katy
and i'm just pulling your leg, i'm sure its all true, no matter how far fetched it seems.
 

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I see marriage as marrying someone you truly like. A good marriage can be seen as someone marrying their best friend. Sounds weird but in a marriage, friendship is more important than a physical attraction, although a physical attraction is a bonus.