Modern Warfare 2 - why it makes people angry. Read if you've ever played the game.

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e2density

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Yeah, in general MW2 is very unbalanced, and has some very poor game design behind it.

I just consider Modern Warfare 2 "the game for people who don't play games."
 

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replingham153 said:
your opinion is amazing, but yet you only talk about the online. What about the other modes?
Well the rest could most likely be summed up as:
"....
Yeah, it's alright."
[small]No, bad! No Yahtzee references![/small]
 

MiracleOfSound

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Hubilub said:
Perhaps they thought the jet-skiing sucked ass, that they didn't want to play a first person racer that didn't control very well, or that they had been emotionally scarred by old Jet-Ski games on the PlayStation 1 when all the other kids laughed at them because they always finished last.

You know... those kind of people... that are totally not me...

>.>

<.<
Haha... I won't bring back any more childhood trauma for you, I'll just say that I thought the jet ski section controlled ok... and that it was FUUUN!


meganmeave said:
I'm finally going to get to play this. It came up on my Gamefly queue. Unfortunately I just picked up RDR, so I don't know if I'll get around to playing it soon.

But I think I'll avoid the multiplayer for now. I don't want to hate the game right away. :)

[sub]Is this a stealth bump? I think not![/sub]
I'm a stealth bumping clown! Or not.

If you like, play some private games with me and the guys because they're awesome fun. I honestly can't think of any game that beats MW2 for fun with buddies. And sometimes, with a big group of you online it can be fun too, as you know you can rely on your team-mates not to be douchebags.

The single player game is amazing... well I thought so anyway. Total adrenaline rush from start to finish!
 

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YouCallMeNighthawk said:
Lol that was a pretty good way of putting it across 10/10.
Better than just a ranting paraghraph.

I've broken 2 headsets playing MW2, and i think my throat might be going lol
Yeah, I tend to get a sore throat playing it too... too many 'huuuurgghhhhs' and 'grrrrrr's. Never broke my headset though... I'd cry if my turtle beaches got hurt!



replingham153 said:
your opinion is amazing, but yet you only talk about the online. What about the other modes?
Well, my opinion of the other modes is:

Single player:

Fucking amazing. Total adrenaline rish, loved every minute and played it through 4 times. Way too short though.

Spec Ops:

Good fun and very tough (in a good way), but goddamn those juggernauts
 

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e2density said:
Yeah, in general MW2 is very unbalanced, and has some very poor game design behind it.

I just consider Modern Warfare 2 "the game for people who don't play games."
I see it as the "game in between games".
 

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MiracleOfSound said:
I'm a stealth bumping clown! Or not.

If you like, play some private games with me and the guys because they're awesome fun. I honestly can't think of any game that beats MW2 for fun with buddies. And sometimes, with a big group of you online it can be fun too, as you know you can rely on your team-mates not to be douchebags.

The single player game is amazing... well I thought so anyway. Total adrenaline rush from start to finish!
When it gets here, should be tomorrow I think, I'll probably start off playing through the campaign to get familiar with the controls. Then maybe I'll take you up on your offer.

If I like this, it's going to mean I have a whole bunch of new games to play, since I haven't played any of the COD type games up to this point.

This is the first summer I have had so many games to play. It's pretty awesome. I hope the developers keep this release schedule next year. Between RDR, Alan Wake, and Crackdown 2 my summer is already pretty packed.
 

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I make it a habit to take out campers. As long as I remain calm, I can usually get them.
 

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meganmeave said:
MiracleOfSound said:
I'm a stealth bumping clown! Or not.

If you like, play some private games with me and the guys because they're awesome fun. I honestly can't think of any game that beats MW2 for fun with buddies. And sometimes, with a big group of you online it can be fun too, as you know you can rely on your team-mates not to be douchebags.

The single player game is amazing... well I thought so anyway. Total adrenaline rush from start to finish!
When it gets here, should be tomorrow I think, I'll probably start off playing through the campaign to get familiar with the controls. Then maybe I'll take you up on your offer.

If I like this, it's going to mean I have a whole bunch of new games to play, since I haven't played any of the COD type games up to this point.

This is the first summer I have had so many games to play. It's pretty awesome. I hope the developers keep this release schedule next year. Between RDR, Alan Wake, and Crackdown 2 my summer is already pretty packed.
Indeed, Crackdown 2 is going to be awesome... and don't forget, there's also a certain little post-apocalyptic RPG that lands at the end of this summer that may take up a few hours...
 

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MiracleOfSound said:
Indeed, Crackdown 2 is going to be awesome... and don't forget, there's also a certain little post-apocalyptic RPG that lands at the end of this summer that may take up a few hours...
Hmmmm.... I wonder what that could be?

It's quite possible I may turn into an albino during that time. I may even have to change my voice mail message to "Can't talk. New Vegas."
 

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Lordpils said:
Combine all that with the absurdity of the single player and honestly there's really no reason to play this game. The only reason I still play this game is because my friends play it and I can't party chat with them while they're playing it thus making this game not only stupid on many levels, but also highly irritating.
Really? I loved the single player.

A lot of people hated it though, I think the fact that it was so OTT and silly annoyed them. But hell, we're gamers, aren't we meant to enjoy OTT stuff??

Miumaru said:
I make it a habit to take out campers. As long as I remain calm, I can usually get them.
Me too, unfortunately my 'staying calm' skill is a bit lacking and I usually get frustrated which ends up with me charging in like a lunatic and dying.

DazGoods said:
I lol'ed at the lag part.

"I swear to f***ing god i shot him. WTF is with this lag ffs!"
Welcome to the Escapist, may you enjoy your stay!

Killcams really show up this flaw so bad... I hate watching them and seeing how far ahead of me the other player was connection-wise.
 

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MiracleOfSound said:
Lordpils said:
Combine all that with the absurdity of the single player and honestly there's really no reason to play this game. The only reason I still play this game is because my friends play it and I can't party chat with them while they're playing it thus making this game not only stupid on many levels, but also highly irritating.
Really? I loved the single player.

A lot of people hated it though, I think the fact that it was so OTT and silly annoyed them. But hell, we're gamers, aren't we meant to enjoy OTT stuff??
Being over the top isn't a problem if the game doesn't take itself seriously (to be fair I'm not sure that Modern Warfare 2 did), I just didn't really like it that much because of the MANY plot holes and generally bad story telling. I will give credit to the voice acting where it's due Keith David was awesome as always.
 

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meganmeave said:
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It's quite possible I may turn into an albino during that time. I may even have to change my voice mail message to "Can't talk. New Vegas."
I have had to warn the missus that when New Vegas comes out, she will have to put up with me being a bleary eyed, anti-social hermetic uber-nerd for 3-4 weeks. As I'm sure your signifigant other will also have to deal with!

She was around for fallout 3 so she is well prepared, but still... I get pretty extreme when I go on a Fallout buzz!

Lordpils said:
Being over the top isn't a problem if the game doesn't take itself seriously (to be fair I'm not sure that Modern Warfare 2 did), I just didn't really like it that much because of the MANY plot holes and generally bad story telling. I will give credit to the voice acting where it's due Keith David was awesome as always.
Who did he play?

I thought the voice acting was good too. And I can't decide if the campaign took itself seriously or not... the story in COD4 was certainly more believable, but I didn't have nearly the same level of endorphin rush-headfuck adrenaline surge playing it as I did MW2.

And I don't get why people hated the ending either... it was frickin awesome! I was hammering 'x' like I never hammered a button before..
 

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MiracleOfSound said:
meganmeave said:
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It's quite possible I may turn into an albino during that time. I may even have to change my voice mail message to "Can't talk. New Vegas."
I have had to warn the missus that when New Vegas comes out, she will have to put up with me being a bleary eyed, anti-social hermetic uber-nerd for 3-4 weeks. As I'm sure your signifigant other will also have to deal with!

She was around for fallout 3 so she is well prepared, but still... I get pretty extreme when I go on a Fallout buzz!
Yes, he will need a game to occupy him while I go into a Fallout stupor. I'll have to look at the release schedule to see if there is a suitable game for him to play.

He's a good sport though. He knows how excited I am about it and has been hiding the bobblehead in clever places for me to find when I least expect it. :D

All this talk is making me think the summer is too long. I think I shall go out and count the lawnmowers on the street again while I wait. ;)
 

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Lordpils said:
Combine all that with the absurdity of the single player and honestly there's really no reason to play this game. The only reason I still play this game is because my friends play it and I can't party chat with them while they're playing it thus making this game not only stupid on many levels, but also highly irritating.
*some* of the SP campaign isn't bad, but I see your point.
 

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i dont see why people are against camping. it is a legitimate gaming technique. what do you want people to do with a sniper rifle? if you are in a good spot getting loads of kills, why move? face it, we have all done it, some more than others and why not if you are good at it. it also annoys me when people complain about noob-tubes. it is a weapon choice in the game so why would they put it in if people were not supposed to use them? this is why i do not play that game, because of people complaining about these things. to complete weapon challanges, you have to use the noob-tube and when you do, people get angry. it sickens me, that game had potential.
 

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Yes, it is a choice availible in the game. However, that just means that the game isn't well balanced. The noob-tube is very strong, and very easy to use, which makes it overpowered, so people are annoyed when they are killed by it.

Modern Warfare Two deliberately caters to casual gamers, to sell as many games as possible, in my opinion. Perks, weapons, and the strength of the killstreaks in the game mean that it is quite easy for players who aren't very good to do well. Pepole use the unbalanced set ups are widespread, because it gives them an advantage, and allows them to do better. The people who don't use them get annoyed at them, because of the disadvantage it puts them at, and because it makes the game less fun, because everyone running around with explosive weapons and danger close playing "Who shoots first in the general direction of the other person wins" isn't particularly interesting, and doesn't involve much skill.

It does annoy me that the noob tube is necessary to complete weapons challenges, though. They have a "noob tuber" title, so they know it's regarded as an illegitimate tactic. As well as this, they knew it annoyed people, because of the feedback from Cod4, but included it anyway, aswell as a perk that gives it unlimited ammunition, and encouraged players to use it, even though it aggravates people, by making it a weapon challenge.

The game had potential, but really the balancing destroyed it for me. I don't bother playing it any more. People going on and bitching at people using overpowered tactics is a bit pointless though. The game is the way it is, and people aren't going to stop using the tactics that rack up the K/D. That's why I went back to cod4. It has some balancing issues, like the overpowered snipers and the ease of quick-scoping, but I find the flaws are overshadowed by those of MW2.

It's a pity, though hardly a surprise, that the developers(imo), chose to make a game with as much mass appeal as possible, at the cost of balance.
 

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dragonslayer32 said:
i dont see why people are against camping. it is a legitimate gaming technique. what do you want people to do with a sniper rifle? if you are in a good spot getting loads of kills, why move? face it, we have all done it, some more than others and why not if you are good at it.
The problem with excessive camping is that it slows the game's pace and robs it of its fluidity. Would you honestly rather play a match full of snipers camping in buildings, or an action packed frantic killfest on a small map?

dragonslayer32 said:
it also annoys me when people complain about noob-tubes. it is a weapon choice in the game so why would they put it in if people were not supposed to use them? this is why i do not play that game, because of people complaining about these things. to complete weapon challanges, you have to use the noob-tube and when you do, people get angry. it sickens me, that game had potential.
The problem with the noob tube is the way people abuse it with Danger Close and One Man Army, giving them an endless suplly of grenades which is completely overpowered and ruins the balance of the game.

Also, spawn tubers can burn in hell.
 

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Herklethehoboking said:
gears of war 2 made me angrier
How so? Lag? Weapon balance?

meganmeave said:
Yes, he will need a game to occupy him while I go into a Fallout stupor. I'll have to look at the release schedule to see if there is a suitable game for him to play.
Let him borrow your Mass Effect 2 maybe? If you can bring yourself to part with it! Another reason I can't wait for New Vegas is that it'll stop me gravitating back to bloody MW2 :D

Yagharek said:
Yes, it is a choice availible in the game. However, that just means that the game isn't well balanced. The noob-tube is very strong, and very easy to use, which makes it overpowered, so people are annoyed when they are killed by it.

Modern Warfare Two deliberately caters to casual gamers, to sell as many games as possible, in my opinion. Perks, weapons, and the strength of the killstreaks in the game mean that it is quite easy for players who aren't very good to do well. Pepole use the unbalanced set ups are widespread, because it gives them an advantage, and allows them to do better. SNIP.
Good post. Ths clearly shows why the game is so frustrating. It had so much potential and does so much right, yet is ruined by 5 or 6 huge gaping flaws that would easily fixed with a patch, yet instead they keep pumping out more map packs to rake in the cash.

The reason we keep going back to it is because it does so much right.

I can't remember getting as big a buzz from a game recently as the time I hopped around a corner, got a three man spray with my P90 and had it seen in the game winning killcam, much to the lobby's delight... moments like that show us what a fantastic, amazing game it could have been.