Poll: 9/11 and you.

[PeePantz]

I miss the option "I don't know and I've long since ceased to care."

Ofcourse information is being witheld. Every single event in history has had information that at some point was witheld. To suddenly act all surprised about that in this event is hypocritical to say the least.

I think you just won the best avatar. Congrats. (I get all Viggo in Eastern Promises when I want to act all badass. Surprisingly, the gesture works)

OT: When it first happened, I threw a celebration in honor of our official invite to the rest of the world (honestly, bought champagne and everything). As terrible as the deaths were, I felt that finally we were treated like other countries and got ourselves a-little-terrorizin'. Unfortunately, what happened next not only made me laugh, but tore apart this country that reverberated across the world.

What Bin Laden manage to do was very Fight Clubesque. He had such an enormous role in taking down our economy, which led to the world having an economic down spiral. People just absolutely panicked here. If you drove through the rural part of the country, all you could see were blue tarps surrounded by a fuckload of duct tape. Oh, no! The terrorists are coming for my silo, get out the duct tape and buy all them canned goods. Sell all the worthless stock right now!

At first, the world sympathized with us and offered a lending hand. It was actually quite nice to see, until our government decided to just pee all over that extended hand. What the Bush administration did to this world will be felt for quite some time. That's why people, not just here in the US, should care. Not that single event, but what happened because of it.

Oh, yeah.. Fuck yeah they know more about this than they are leading us to believe. Not a conspiracy, but just the fucktardness of our government during the time.

 

[OrdinaryGuy]

I have no problem believing that the US government might be holding back embarrassing information, but the wilder conspiracy theories are just downright ridiculous. And they are a disgrace to the people who died in the attack.

 

[Casual Shinji]

I'd say they received warning but didn't take it seriously.

Well thats a well known fact, no mystery here.

Really?! Didn't know. Doesn't surprise me, though. Intelligence blunders are frustratingly common. This one just happened to be costly.

The CIA tracked every movement of Bin Laden and his accomplices for a few years before 9/11. Basically since Al-Qaeda was formed.

I recommend you watching the National Geographic movie, Inside 9/11.

Wait?! so your telling me Bin Laden was hoping that we were tracking him down to keep us distracted while the terrorists made their move?

From what I remember from the Inside 9/11 documentary, during Bill Clinton presidency, they were monitoring Bin Laden trying the figure out how much of a threat he really was. But the monent they were allowed to go after him, he already disappeared.

Not that it would've mattered much if they had caught him anyway; Muslim extremists will be Muslims extremists.

 

[mrhockey220]

Some people are idiots these days. It was enemies of the United States that did it, most commonly known as terrorists. How do I know this? Terrorists wouldn't just simply pick the two tallest buildings in New York to blow up. They picked the twin towers because they were a symbol of economic prosperity in the U.S. and the towers coming down symbolized the undoing of capitalism. The attack was supposed to be a statement in saying that capitalism was going to meet its downfall sometime soon and it they needed to do something like toppling the WORLD TRADE CENTER to get their point across. I believe that there plan sort of worked too since we are obviously having economic problems right now because of the poor handling of 9/11 by the government whom I felt went to war a little too quickly without considering the impact it could have on the future. Why would the U.S. hurt themselves?

 

[Blind Sight]

Meh, I believe the version that makes the most sense, call me boring but the 'Bush did it to invade Iraq' theory doesn't sit well for me. It makes literally no sense, if you're trying to get people on your side for a war you don't hit vital resources like your central defense building and a major economic center, you hit something symbolic, like the Washington Monument. While there are kids in it. Most of the people who believe these conspiracy theories simply cannot accept something that conflicts with their worldview, and must make assumptions so the events make sense to them. As for the whole 'there are no plane pieces' thing, clearly these people don't know how hot jet fuel burns and what a fast impact does to a plane.

The American government did suppress information, but it wasn't something overly weird, just the news that in both the Bush and Clinton Adminstration there were some warning signs of a terrorist attack, but I believed they assumed it was going to be minor, like that attack on an American destroyer from several years before.

 

[PorkChopXpress]

I honestly don't know the truth behind it, and I'm not gonna lose sleep trying to figure it out.

From the top Dubya:

http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/103769/plug-these-leaks

 

[GWarface]

It was an inside job...

The FBI already tried it once before in 1993, when they paid a guy 1 million to plant a bomb in the towers... Thats widely known, but propably forgotten...
Plus the evidence that points towards an controlled demolition are too many...

 

[Xanadu84]

People love a good story. Couple of assholes flew into a building? Wouldn't do very well on opening night. Cadre of powerful politicians orchestrate an attack on their own soil for personal gain, weaved into a complex web of lies and deciet? Blockbuster. Same deal with the Kennedy assassination. We don't like mundane things explaining big, important, life changing events. That's where conspiracies come in.

In regards to 9/11, I think there's some clarification needed. Not as many people as we all seem to think believe that the government bombed there own buildings. Even the story that only a small number of people believe in an actual conspiracy theory is too mundane for many of us to accept, so we like to pretend that it's a huge percentage being crazy. Becasue if theres a lot of crazy people out there, we get to feel smarter. I believe that the reality is simple. Americans expect that Bush was incompetent. They believe that the information that an attack was coming was right there, plain as day, and that he did nothing. Maybe we accuse him of purposefully letting it happen, but I think that that is usually hyperbole. I think that most Americans believe that he was too busy with other stuff, too convinced that he could do no wrong, and that with so many dangers there was very little chance of this one danger actually happening. Also, he had buisness partners with connections to the terrorists, and rather then some sordid backroom dealing, he simply didn't think he had to worry about someone who is connected to a buddy of his. Personally, I expect that Bush ignored Clintons warnings about Osama, and when that memo that said that Osama planned to use planes to attack major landmarks in September came to him in October, he assumed that that was from the Clinton era, and therefore couldn't be believed. I don't think that there is actual lieing going on, but I believe that parties with self-interest weren't too interested in getting to the bottom of things, consciously or not. Basically, I think that we shouldn't attribute to malice that which can be attributed to incompetence.

 

[Tiny116]

There's probably something they're not telling us, like the group that did it just brainwashed some fools to do it so America would have an excuse to invade Iraq for oil money or some such.
But that's just how consumerists culture and politics in general goes, trying to grab everything of value because you want to be G-O-D.

Well they invaded Afghanistan over 9/11.
and if I remember rightly The American military burned an oil rig to prove the war had nothing to do with Oil...Extremely fucking stupid in my opinion, because it didn't change anyones views that the wars have been about oil and it wasted a rapidly declining natural resource! *Facepalm*
....Or was that Iraq as well???
But I do agree with you that someone was bloody brainwashed to do that, and there defiantly is something that they aren't telling us. But I don't think it'd as massive a conspiracy as everyone thinks.

 

[Blind Sight]

There's probably something they're not telling us, like the group that did it just brainwashed some fools to do it so America would have an excuse to invade Iraq for oil money or some such.
But that's just how consumerists culture and politics in general goes, trying to grab everything of value because you want to be G-O-D.

Well they invaded Afghanistan over 9/11.
and if I remember rightly The American military burned an oil rig to prove the war had nothing to do with Oil...Extremely fucking stupid in my opinion, because it didn't change anyones views that the wars have been about oil and it wasted a rapidly declining natural resource! *Facepalm*
....Or was that Iraq as well???

I think you're talking about the oil field burnings in Iraq, that was mostly a result of Iraqi troops in retreat, they didn't want the Americans to have access to their resources, they did that in the Gulf War too.

 

[Warforger]

Do I think the government had a hand in the attacks, no most likely not. Do I think the government could have done more to at least warn us something isn't right, and maybe half the total amount of deaths, yes.

I do have to say though that the conspiracy side saying that our government had a hand in this does have some decent points, but it's just a bit to unlikely.

I doubt anyone would take a threat seriously when it goes around the idea that a plane will be hijacked and crashed into a building which would cause it to collapse. Sure now its believable but pre-9/11 it was unimaginable. The warnings warned of an attack by terrorists, it didn't specify which kind of attack so the logical conclusion was just its most likely a bombing like the last one.

 

[Booze Zombie]

Well they invaded Afghanistan over 9/11.
and if I remember rightly The American military burned an oil rig to prove the war had nothing to do with Oil...Extremely fucking stupid in my opinion, because it didn't change anyones views that the wars have been about oil and it wasted a rapidly declining natural resource! *Facepalm*
....Or was that Iraq as well???
But I do agree with you that someone was bloody brainwashed to do that, and there defiantly is something that they aren't telling us. But I don't think it'd as massive a conspiracy as everyone thinks.

I'm not so good with keeping track of where America invades, in specific. I just know non-white people are getting boned hard, as are white-people and any other colour you care to imagine.

 

[Dungus]

It's just not worth the time to think about it. If there is another truth to it, we'll probably never know. It's not in my power to discover something new about it, so why should I care? Would be fun if the complete truth came to light though.

 

[John the Gamer]

9/11... What was that again? Too long ago to care. Let it go or something. Let's just call it an secret incursion, orchestrated by aliens to cause chaos and conflict between the different factions on earth to prepare the planet for invasion.

 

[FaceFaceFace]

if you're trying to get people on your side for a war you don't hit vital resources like your central defense building and a major economic center, you hit something symbolic, like the Washington Monument. While there are kids in it.

This. If the US government is a bunch of evil overlords, they would have picked a target that was even more symbolic, even more monstrous, and far less damaging to the US itself, ie important buildings full of American workers. Useless kids and useless monuments would be a better target.

Besides, many of you seem to have little idea of how the US population really works. An attack on our soil wouldn't even have been necessary for war in Iraq, if that were their objective. With only loose references to 9/11 they managed to go to war with little provocation and with no UN approval (making it illegal by US law). They could have done it easily by making up some other bullshit. 9/11 was unnecessary.

Real life isn't the film of V for Vendetta where the government unleashes some evil plot to kill their own citizens and grab more power. Its the graphic novel of V for Vendetta where the government gradually accumulates power and does whatever it wants because the people are too stupid and lazy to try and stop them.

 

[Asdalan08]

What the hell happened on November 9th?