But that won't have been a chicken egg, it'll have been the egg of whatever the chicken evolved from. As the egg comes from the mother and won't have the same DNA as the chicken within it, the Chicken must have come before chicken eggs.Omikron009 said:
Poll: Chicken or the Egg?
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The answer is obviously a chicken and here is a simple reason why
We have a non chicken creature that lays an egg that hatches the first creature close enough to a chicken to count as a chicken, the egg from which it hatched was not a chicken's egg it was an egg of the non chicken creature that layed it. Therefore the chicken came first because the egg from which it hatched is excluded for not being a chicken's egg.
But, i here you say, we did not put any restrictions on the egg having to be a chicken's egg but then you have made your original statement non-sensical since if you dont restrict the egg to that of a chicken's then ofcourse the egg came first by millions of years, only a fool would believe that chickens were the first creatures to lay eggs.
And thus you come to the logical conclusion that the correct answer is niether until the person who poses the question adds more limits on the question to ensure that there is only one answer.
We have a non chicken creature that lays an egg that hatches the first creature close enough to a chicken to count as a chicken, the egg from which it hatched was not a chicken's egg it was an egg of the non chicken creature that layed it. Therefore the chicken came first because the egg from which it hatched is excluded for not being a chicken's egg.
But, i here you say, we did not put any restrictions on the egg having to be a chicken's egg but then you have made your original statement non-sensical since if you dont restrict the egg to that of a chicken's then ofcourse the egg came first by millions of years, only a fool would believe that chickens were the first creatures to lay eggs.
And thus you come to the logical conclusion that the correct answer is niether until the person who poses the question adds more limits on the question to ensure that there is only one answer.
I only just woke up so I am a little groggy but if a single cell evolved, I imagine, it would be like a frog cell, it goes from a single cell to a tadpole then grows legs.manaman said:
I can't see a single cell growing into an egg first, wouldn't it evolve into the creature first, in this case a chick, then grow into a chicken which lays an egg, starting the cycle.
It just seems more likely than it starting from the very start with a shell, then breaking out of it.
While logically, yes, it wasn't a 'chicken egg' so to speak, the genes of/contained in the egg are that of the chicken, thus I'm going to dub it a 'chicken egg', and declare that the egg came first.savandicus said:
You're right though, the question does indeed need more limits.
This did NOT need to be rooted in the creationism vs evolution debate.
Both could go either way given the lines of logic provided.
Both could go either way given the lines of logic provided.
You can't presume that the "I don't know" belongs to Athiests and Agnostics - that's terribly narrow minded. I'm a Christian and I responded 'I don't know', but I still believe God started it all, I just don't know how or with which because I wasn't there. Regardless, I have faith which tells me He was there and still is. I'm not having a go or a bash here, by the way, I'm just airing my views ^_^
Um... What? Most atheists I've met believe in evolution, such as myselfSamcanuck said:
I believe that some chicken-like-thing was on earth and after millions of years it slowly evolved into the chicken we know today. It's quite impossible to determine which was first, unless you know the specific point in time it became the chicken we know today.
The egg comes first for one reason, nobody has stated that the egg is a chicken egg but due to evolution something laid the eggs that evolved into a chicken over time so yes the egg came first. =P
