Poll: Do you believe Kinect will hurt the Wii?

[mrpmpfan]

Wii was (also) meant to be a secondary console

I love stupid comments like this by people who have no clue about what they are talking about.



The kenect/move will hurt the wiis about as much as throwing your gamecube off a 3 story building. It might scratch it alittle but it wont do any permanent damage.

If you dont have a console and want one with motion controls do you choose the expensive one with 5 games or the cheap one with 500. The wii has already so many units most people who want motion control already have one. Sure the kinect will still sell but its not going to move any serious numbers. Really if your buying a 360 for the first time and want one with kinect its $400, thats twice the price of a wii.

I am pretty sure you throw anything off a third story balcony and you will be picking up pieces. On top of that just because the Wii has a tooooon of games does not make more than 5 of them worth 2 cents. The Wii is heavily known for having a ton of shovelware. Go play Gingerbread Ninjaman and you will see what I am talking about.

The system is only cheaper if you play by yourself however if you throw even one controller in the mix you are up to $280. Which is only $20 shy of the $300 Kinect Bundle. The Xbox in that bundle has 4 gb of memory where as the Wii only has 512 mb. So throw in another memory card and you are pretty close same price. Only difference? You can have multiple people play Kinect without additional controls. Also when you don't want to do motion based gameplay you can play normal games with a normal controller. And if we compare the Xbox's library of AAA titles to Nintendos, Microsoft has them crushed.

 

[mrpmpfan]

Are you on drugs? Wii users that have problems with motion controls are going to buy a 360 + Kinect?

And you thought the E3 unveiling was good in any way?

/boggle

Yes I thought the unveiling of Kinect was a good thing. Dance Central looks like a ton of fun and so did some of the other base titles. Plus they showed off a rather cool looking Star Wars title. Children of Eden looks completely interesting. So I know you only typed that because you hate Microsoft but they are coming and just like Sony, Nintendo should watch out.

 

[Audio]

Microsoft is like the hyena trying to mooch off Nintendos target market. Nintendo are big enough to take care of themselves. Mircosoft may pull out something nice eventually but it wont save them.

 

[migo]

I think the Move will have more of an effect. It's cheaper than the Kinect to start, and has a lot more potential, as well as bridging the gap between casual and hardcore. Kinect is set on casual only, and the snags it has make it pretty unviable. No hardcore game, unless you count hardcore DDR players, will work well on Kinect.

 

[migo]

Microsoft is like the hyena trying to mooch off Nintendos target market. Nintendo are big enough to take care of themselves. Mircosoft may pull out something nice eventually but it wont save them.

Just for the record, it's the lions that mooch.

 

[mrpmpfan]

I think the Move will have more of an effect. It's cheaper than the Kinect to start, and has a lot more potential, as well as bridging the gap between casual and hardcore. Kinect is set on casual only, and the snags it has make it pretty unviable. No hardcore game, unless you count hardcore DDR players, will work well on Kinect.

Because you have seen 15 launch titles you automatically write it off as a casual players device only. Star Wars looks great and I am sure other titles are to follow. Move is basically identical to Wii except looks even more lame (since it looks like a dildo).

 

[Durxom]

The system is only cheaper if you play by yourself however if you throw even one controller in the mix you are up to $280. Which is only $20 shy of the $300 Kinect Bundle. The Xbox in that bundle has 4 gb of memory where as the Wii only has 512 mb. So throw in another memory card and you are pretty close same price. Only difference? You can have multiple people play Kinect without additional controls. Also when you don't want to do motion based gameplay you can play normal games with a normal controller. And if we compare the Xbox's library of AAA titles to Nintendos, Microsoft has them crushed.

Ya, but the thing about that is, that most casual players do not know or care about that stuff. You can explain to someone that "ohh, this console allows for 4 gbs of memory, hd graphics, live play, DLC and the like" and all you're going to get back is big fat "Wah???", while what Nintendo has going is, is "Come pick up this easy to use gaming machine, play the games from your past or exercise and play sports without leaving your home".

Also, I'm guessing more people will know and choose a Mario, a Zelda, or a Pokemon far before a Master Chief or a Marcus Fenix, leaving your last point moot.

 

[TPiddy]

Not at $150 it won't, but I have to say, I definitely like the sound of Kinect over the Wii and the Move. Being able to just move around, facial recognition and voice recognition, even without having to get off the couch Kinect could enhance your overall gaming experience.

Some games already have the ability to use voice commands in a headset. I'll get one if they drop the price to around $99 - $120.

However, just like the Wii with Wii Motion Plus, the technology in Kinect is still in it's infancy and it will take them a few years to perfect it.

 

[migo]

I think the Move will have more of an effect. It's cheaper than the Kinect to start, and has a lot more potential, as well as bridging the gap between casual and hardcore. Kinect is set on casual only, and the snags it has make it pretty unviable. No hardcore game, unless you count hardcore DDR players, will work well on Kinect.

Because you have seen 15 launch titles you automatically write it off as a casual players device only. Star Wars looks great and I am sure other titles are to follow. Move is basically identical to Wii except looks even more lame (since it looks like a dildo).

Star Wars looks horrible, you realise the E3 video they had was faked right? It won't work for an FPS, it won't work for a driving game (Forza looks incredibly lame with no accelerate and such), it won't work for an RTS, it won't work for a TBS, it won't work for a fighting game. There's really nothing that could work. Dance games will work - that's it.

 

[Lexodus]

Practically everyone who's going to get a Wii has a Wii by now. I still think Kinect is a shitty idea though. The problems with it are obvious; there are limitations to what you can pick up entirely by sensors, which is why I believe that the Move (or whatever the fuck that thing is) is a slightly better (or, in any case, less shitty) idea, as it's a direct rip off of the Wii.

 

[mrpmpfan]

@666chaos
Wii Play
Wii Fit
Mario Kart Wii
Wii Sports Resort
New Super Mario Bros.
Wii Fit Plus
Super Smash Bros. Brawl
Super Mario Galaxy
Mario Party 8
Link's Crossbow Training

Here is the Wii's top selling games. Actually technically Wii Sports is the top selling but its free so a million times 0 is still 0. My favorite part about this list is Wii Play which is free with an extra wiimote is Wii sports except lamer. Wii Sports Resort was free with motionplus which is hardly used in any games. Wii Fit and Wii Fit Plus are virtually the same game which was expensive and gives you a balance board that is not used in anything that matters. Link's Crossbow Training isn't even really a game....

So the Wiis top selling games are either free or worthless you have a few decent titles but games like Mario Kart was actually a step down from the previous gamecube title. And Mario Party titles haven't been good since Mario Party 2.

 

[mrpmpfan]

Practically everyone who's going to get a Wii has a Wii by now. I still think Kinect is a shitty idea though. The problems with it are obvious; there are limitations to what you can pick up entirely by sensors, which is why I believe that the Move (or whatever the fuck that thing is) is a slightly better (or, in any case, less shitty) idea, as it's a direct rip off of the Wii.

What limitations are you speaking of? When I tried the demo for Kinectimals it could sense down to my finger tips. Also according to press videos it will be able to detect random objects to scan in or use in games. It can detect facial recongintion and voice. I fail to see the limitations.

 

[Reenix]

I'm not so sure about that. While it is true that the Wii may have hit saturation point, that doesn't necessarily mean that the Wii motion controls are going to made redundant; the Wii probably has at least a year of life before they stop making games - hell, look at the DS.

I see where you're going with this. I am intrigued. Keep going ... keep going ...

Kinect, being obviously superior to the Wii's [...]

Ah, you lost me. So close and yet so far away. Unsubstantiated blanket statements: how to immediately turn off your readers.

I'm basing this on the fact that many Wii users that I know have problems with the motion controls. The Wii Motion Plus just adds insult to inconvenience, as it's an expensive addition that should have been included in the package initially.

If the Kinect is anything like its E3 unveiling then I think it'd be better than the Wiimote by FAR. I cannot ABIDE the Wiimote.

There's my substantiation. Biased but experienced.

Are you on drugs? Wii users that have problems with motion controls are going to buy a 360 + Kinect?

And you thought the E3 unveiling was good in any way?

/boggle

I didn't say Wii users who were disillusioned by the Wiimote are going to buy a 360 with Kinect. I meant that first-time casual gamers might be attracted the 360's superior specifications and (seemingly) simpler application.

I can only go on what I've seen - no-one knows what Kinect will be like when it's actually released, which is why I'm making a judgement based on personal experience.

I'm not saying that one application is better than the other (other than 360 being more powerful but that's a fact), I'm just arguing that Kinect MIGHT damage the chances of another Wii Motion boom.

 

[Vigormortis]

As I started to read the first few posts, two words popped into my head...

Troll & Fanboy

Based on what I've seen, mrpmpfan isn't here to start a discussion. He's here to tell you what to think. He has no interest in hearing others opinions.

And with that, here's my opinion.

I do not see Kinect having any significant impact on the Wii's sales. Quite frankly, it's a questionable device that has an even greater "gimmick" feeling than the Wii did at launch. Sure, you can use a "regular" controller for "regular" games, but that implies having to get a regular controller. At least the Wii-mote could be used as a "regular" controller AND for motion controls.

In the end though, this whole topic (not to mention Microsoft's and Sony's attempt at stealing Nintendo's thunder) is moot. The current generation of consoles has maybe a year, two tops, before their parent companies will have to bring out new hardware. This leads me to believe both Move and Kinect are just one last hoorah before the new stuff hits. Which, if you think about it, makes any kind of serious support for either seem tenuous at best.

 

[CrankyStorming]

Microsoft are looking at this in the complete wrong mindset. They think the gaming hardware industry work the same way as that of office software, whereby if you simply improve on your competitors then people will flock to you.

The gaming market, and more specifically the casual gaming market, needs to be offered something they didn't already have. To them, Kinect is just a copy of the Wii that's more expensive and harder to pronounce, and they therefore won't buy one because they already own a Wii. In fact, they're all generally more driven by scaremongering like the whole "it doesn't work with baggy clothes" stories that have risen out, and might be put off Kinect by that.

What limitations are you speaking of? When I tried the demo for Kinectimals it could sense down to my finger tips. Also according to press videos it will be able to detect random objects to scan in or use in games. It can detect facial recongintion and voice. I fail to see the limitations.

Since there isn't any gesture that can represent walking without feeling unnatural, Kinect is limited to games where the player-character either stands still or moves along a pre-determined path, which pretty much rules out 3 quarters of all video game genres that have arisen over the past 35 years.

 

[Dexiro]

Move and Kinect are both aiming at a different market to the Wii, which is 'non-casual' gamers. Or at least Kinect should be, and Move claims it will be.

Neither will hurt the Wii because they'll mostly be bought by people who already have either console.

 

[nathan-dts]

With the price tag it has? No fucking chance.

 

[Reolus]

Spoiler

This pretty much sums it up, in my opinion. ^_^

 

[Dango]

Th only people Kinect will hurt are the people playing.