Poll: do you support the afghan war

[whycantibelinus]

I don't support any war. Especially not this one.

Would you have supported WWI and WWII? Come on, really now....

Well definitely not WW1.

Why not? The war is self was justifie4d. What the Allies did after was the huge fuck up. They never should have left Germany and Austria alone to crash into economic destitution. If they had helped rebuild after the war then Hitler would have never had an excuse with the people to get into power and WWII would have never had happen, IMHO.

Because the war was fought over arrogance and alliances, that's why I don't agree with it. WW1 was, IMO, completely and utterly unjustified. It destroyed a generation of men all over medieval grievances.

 

[inhuMANATEE]

Popquiz: What's the difference between the Taliban and Al-Qaeda?[/quote]

Al-Qaeda is an international organization whereas the Taliban is located specifically in Afghanistan.

 

[cainx10a]

I was nine when the World Trade Center and Pentagon was attacked. I was in Long Island at the time. More than half the kids at school were taken out because terrified parents didn't know what to do and because they feared of what would happen to their kids. Because of the terrorist attacks on New York, my state, my whole country, thousands are dead and several children at that school have no father. One of the teachers there almost lost her husband and brother. At my current school, one of the women in the office no longer has her son. A woman I know who was a EMT at the time is dying due to respiratory problems that developed after trying to recover survivors from Ground Zero. She spent a lot of time picking up the scattered remains of people and had to deal with carrying baby that died as a result of the attacks. She's now suffering from mental problems as well.

Bin Laden and his cronies attacked both my state and my country. They pointlessly killed thousands of innocents for what? To implant fear into a nation of people who are always going out on a limb to help other nations while we ourselves aren't doing so well? The coward and all his associates deserve nothing less than death and I and every New Yorker will not find peace until Bin Laden is dead.
What kind of New Yorker and American would I be if I didn't support the war?

Did you check how many Iraqis died because of the embargo? Did you check how many Iraqis died because Saddam was helped by the US in his coup d'etat? Did you check how many Iraqis died in the first gulf war and second gulf war? Did you check how many parents lost their Iraqis children? Did you check how many Iraqis lost their fathers and mothers?

And Ben Laden may be a mad man, but at least check why he killed a thousand innocent people. Not saying I support what he did, but saying his 'cronies', which as far as I'm concerned are probably all dead, leaving behind a chain of hatred that doesn't end, would be saying their children, relatives, and countrymen should be killed to avenge people who died years ago.

Wow, way to go on making a fellow american feel like total and utter shit. So your statement is true, so what? He was FUCKING NINE! He had no clue about what was going on over there and even if he did, I doubt he could see it on that large of a scale. It's becuase of people like you america is crumbling, it's becuase of people like you that people in Afghanistan, Iraq and other countries that are or were under terrorist control have to suffer. Yeah america has fucked up before, what county hasn't? And for christ sake could you drop the "we put Saddam in power" thing, no one could see the future then and they sure as hell can't now. So why don't you take a good long look at your-self and ask if you believe in your country, weather it be the US, England, New Zealand, Canada or any other country, becuase chances are; it won't be around forever. So why don't you stop bashing people who support the war and go help your country so it could last another ten years, becuase the US wasn't that way almost a decade ago and we are paying for it now quite dearly... Tool.

Well, don't really care if it's a 9 year old, 19, year old, or w/e. But no matter how much you are going to twist the truth, it doesn't change the fact that the middle-east is fucked up because of some countries meddling with it.

You are NOT paying "dearly" for it, you don't know what living in a devastated country is like, and the US is far away from getting fucked up, but believe me, I would rather have the US around bossing other countries than having china, or india or the USSR take over.

 

[Seanchaidh]

It looks like there will be a run-off election between Abdullah Abdullah and Hamid Karzai. Let's hope we can prevent the fraud this time around, and actually have a legitimate government to help stabilize the country. We should follow the McChrystal strategy and try to secure the country so that nation-building can occur.

Also, dates should be written day/year/month. Everyone knows that.

 

[WolfThomas]

Right....say who won the Revolutionary War again?

Who won the War of 1812 and burnt down the Whitehouse in the process?

"Won the War of 1812"? I don't know what kind of crap they feed you over there, but who lost a dozen men to kill a thousand of yours at New Orleans after the war was peaceably resolved by diplomats in Europe, with no victor and no loser?

Well I'm actually Australian so I barely care, I'm just being argumentative. But the way I see you guys invaded Canada and were repulsed and you had more casualties. So Canada and Britain achieved their goal, you guys failed. Victory British.

Once again you had the Whitehouse burnt down and that shouldn't be lived down.

 

[lizards]

I don't support any war.

[sub]Also, OP, learn how to spell. And how to think.[/sub]

how cute

How cute? Because real mean are too busy being closed mined twats to bother being open minded and working through their differences?
Fuck being considerate, let's just all kill eachother.

your wrong

war is good whether you people admit it or not it brings:

jobs: whether that be military service or just making the stuff the soldiers will use
helps the economy: more jobs mean unemployment rate goes down and that leads to a bunch of other good things
keeps the population down: this one is needs to explanation
gets research going: during the war they are researching weapons quickly, and there pretty much whatever you are researching there will be unintentionaly discovers that help out after war and also after that war they are already putting major funds in research and have many people doing that so they will generally continue to do so for a little bit
helps people (sometimes): usally the one leader going around and starting wars is the oppresive dictator kind of leader and when war happens and they lose it means that that leader gets taken out of power which is good for the people if only to not have thought police running around

i do not like or love war i just support it as what the world needs every once in a while and people who say "war is bad because its war" then you are simple minded and i would guess that you are also the kind of person who makes judgements about things before you even know whats happening

 

[Dancingman]

Right....say who won the Revolutionary War again?

Who won the War of 1812 and burnt down the Whitehouse in the process?

"Won the War of 1812"? I don't know what kind of crap they feed you over there, but who lost a dozen men to kill a thousand of yours at New Orleans after the war was peaceably resolved by diplomats in Europe, with no victor and no loser?

Well I'm actually Australian so I barely care, I'm just being argumentative. But the way I see you guys invaded Canada and were repulsed and you had more casualties. So Canada and Britain achieved their goal, you guys failed. Victory British.

Once again you had the Whitehouse burnt down and that shouldn't be lived down.

The burning of the Washington DC was more of a morale victory for the British, we still held out at New Orleans and at Baltimore (when Fort McHenry wasn't taken down, Francis Scott Key was imprisoned aboard a British vessel and wrote the national anthem there), however, the greatest victories for us were naval victories on the Great Lakes against British fleets. The land war for us was pretty bad, but on the water, we were doing well, the war stalemated, and the tsar stepped in to keep Russia's ally, Britain, from losing too much of her strength and basically mediated the Treaty of Ghent.

 

[JohnJacobJingle]

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[gxs]

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All of this.

 

[DoomyMcDoom]

I support all war... mainly because I'm a sick twisted bastard that cries once a year if that and only because i see someone that i hate die from something not caused by me... it's a crying mixture of happiness that they died and sadness that i didn't get to do it...

also if you look at humanity and all it's wonderful flaws, war is one of those things that will just keep happening on some scale or another untill we all die...

also the way i see it for every soldier who dies in conflict and same for every civy, thats one less family that will sprout up and thus one less root of starvation and overcrowding to pluck when everyone starts falling dead from some pestilence caused by us all living too close together and there being either not enough food or medicine or too many people coughing on eachother or something, that we hafta worry about...

seriosly, if say... WW2 hadn't happened... hell since WW2 is essencially a direct carry-over from the first world war... lets just say if those world wars hadn't happened can you immagine the number of people we'd be fighting with over jobs, food, and space with? ALOT...

so yeah /end rant and all that

 

[AdambotLive]

War is stupid.

/thread

 

[Ocelot GT]

In short, support the troops, oppose the war.

 

[akilae]

It's a conquest war, meant to acquire energy resources. The talibans were initially trained and funded by the United States. September 11th were used as a shoddy pretext. The so called democracy installed is plain and simple bullshit where the US backed candidate is voted into power by citizens threatened by US backed warlords who are no better than the Taliban.

That being said, by all means support the war if you wish, just don't go all mushy about democracy, September 11th, freedom and whatever bullshit you're fed between commercial breaks.

It's bullying and nothing more. At least the guys saying war makes jobs and profit are honest about it. Remember, things get out of hand when people start believing their own lies.

 

[ShadowsofHope]

I don't support any war.

[sub]Also, OP, learn how to spell. And how to think.[/sub]

This, I feel awful just reading it.

And no, the US economics problem is its own misfortune, and they (most of the time) blame it on everyone else.

I support wars against evil's such as Hitler and other notably dictator's bent on ethnic cleansing and racial supremacy, but the War on(of) Terror is simply a joke to begin with.

 

[Eliam_Dar]

no I do not, sure the WTC was a terrible thing, but it was made by a terrorist organization not by a sovereign state. And curiously, that particular terrorist attack was founded by pakistan... and... Afghanistan has opium and oil, Irak has oil...

 

[renner-08]

i support the afghan mission, as providing humanitarian aid to affected civilians is a worthy cause. as well, as the taliban is the one doing the affecting, it is also worthy that they should be dealt with (i.e. chucking a few bullets at them)

 

[Sovvolf]

I support the war but for reasons other then what the OP put. I have friends serving and from there accounts it's for bigger reasons then just "ZOMG OIL!!", a lot of it was to get the Taliban out which who controlled the country and ruled it with a iron fist. Now that we have them out of control it's more about helping the country become stable... which is the big problem here... as it's at civil war over those who support the Taliban and those who oppose them, the Taliban want us out so they can retake control and probably launch another attack a few years down the line. We need our troops in to try and stop that from happening.

 

[IckleMissMayhem]

Number of British victims of attacks on 11/9/01: 67
The total number of UK service personnel killed in Afghanistan since 2001 now stands at 235, with 98 deaths this year alone.
No, I don't agree with this war. Certainly not with Britain's involvement.

 

[Wadders]

NATO needs to stay the fuck in to be able to strike Iran at a pin drop should they try anything. The US can already hit Israel from Iraq, but for some reason western civilization isn't as critical of them, even though they are by far the most dangerous.

lol NATO? NATO just sits on their ass, the U.S needs to send in the Marines and why the fuck would America attack Israel that make no sense

erm, the USMC are already there...

And yes I support the war in Afghanistan. Bringing security to its people is a worthwhile mission, as is showing the Taliban, and by proxy, Al-Qaeda, that we wont take their shit. However, whether or not we can ever actually "win" there is a matter of some contention. Personally, I reckon it might be possible, but it's gonna be hard, and unless we change the way we fight them, we're gonna need more troops.

Edit: even poll result is even

 

[erik91]

I was nine when the World Trade Center and Pentagon was attacked. I was in Long Island at the time. More than half the kids at school were taken out because terrified parents didn't know what to do and because they feared of what would happen to their kids. Because of the terrorist attacks on New York, my state, my whole country, thousands are dead and several children at that school have no father. One of the teachers there almost lost her husband and brother. At my current school, one of the women in the office no longer has her son. A woman I know who was a EMT at the time is dying due to respiratory problems that developed after trying to recover survivors from Ground Zero. She spent a lot of time picking up the scattered remains of people and had to deal with carrying baby that died as a result of the attacks. She's now suffering from mental problems as well.

Bin Laden and his cronies attacked both my state and my country. They pointlessly killed thousands of innocents for what? To implant fear into a nation of people who are always going out on a limb to help other nations while we ourselves aren't doing so well? The coward and all his associates deserve nothing less than death and I and every New Yorker will not find peace until Bin Laden is dead.
What kind of New Yorker and American would I be if I didn't support the war?

If you think invading two nations and killing millions for a few thousand deaths is justice I truly pity you, and if you think a war is justified because how the nation in question treats its people you should have invaded half the world by now. War don't make things better for those people, you just give the terrorists more support.

"To implant fear into a nation of people who are always going out on a limb to help other nations while we ourselves aren't doing so well?" really? what about waiting until your own ass was on the line in ww2, invading other nations for no good reasons and having one of the lowest humanitarian aid budget of the western world?