Poll: Farewell Pokemon: A poll to stop the abuse

[Bakaferret]

to long... did not read

Wow this thread lasted longer then i thought... people getting into this enough to write essays. Is this ok for a compromise? Don't stop making games/merchandise/cards cause nintendo just won't. there money in it. But please, just stop making increasingly crappy looking pokemon. There's enough of them. the ratio of good/bad pokemon per new release has tipped heavily to the 'bad' end o the spectrum.

Secondly, if your gunna make games, do something different dammit! Pokemon Snap: FUN, Hey You, Pickachu!: FUN (albeit annoying to no earthly end) Colosseum: Decent, and cool to play with friends and fellow fans, Mystery Dungeon: Almost exactly what i wanted nintendo to do, if they just made it 3d, then hell yeah!

What do all these games have in common? They aren't the same damn handheld version redone with minor tweaks to gameplay and revisions of incredibly shit 'stories'. Nintendo has the potential to make new and interesting things using pokemon. it has done it. Why not do it again? doodling ridiculous and just silly monster drawings and then calling them new material just shouldn't cut it anymore.

Fans and casual player, anyone of the millions who play it, should ask for better from nintendo after paying out the shit-pipe again and again for their gaming kibble.

Now THIS I can agree with and understand! This is a reasonable argument, more than just saying screw the whole franchise and dump it.

 

[Swifteye]

No, don't end it. But actually make a new game.

Hear me out:

Rather than adding 8 bajillion pokemon, add about 50. Spend the rest of your time and money on an actually interesting story, improved overworld mechanics, etc.

That's what I can get behind. quality not quantity. If there only idea for pokemon is to shove more pokemon into it then it's days are short.

 

[Thundero13]

I think they should continue Pokemon Ranger and some more independant spin-offs like "Pokepark wii Pikachu's adventure", but the main series should end before it gets even worse.

 

[LooK iTz Jinjo]

This could be said about just about any Nintendo franchise. And while we are there lets say it about COD and Halo too.

 

[WolfEdge]

I've always sort of had a bug up my ass when it came to pokemon. Like, in a good way.

I remember when that shit FIRST came out in the nineties. What an amazingly simple idea: catch and battle these awesome monsters. What made the game more fun than anything for me though, (and what blew my nine year old MIND) was the added idea of friendship and companionship. The supposed underpinnings of pokemon wasn't just to catch data for a game, you were catching and earning buddies: you were making goddamn relationships with this game. This is, I think, what made the anime so popular. It wasn't really about Ash as a character; it was about Ash as a surrogate. Ash was our means of exploration into a world we desperately wished could be real. It's the same deal with Harry Potter, come to thing of it.

Now, I've been waiting... since the fucking N64, for a Pokemon game that actually gives you access to the amazing world OF Pokemon. You know, on a machine that can actually render theses things as reasonably realistic creatures, in a reasonably realistic and defined world. Instead all we've gotten is this Colosseum, pokemon-standing-around-while-you-do-the-menu-thing bullshit. Pokemon is one of those franchises that could be so much more than it is.

So where's my goddamn game, Nintendo?

 

[Nazulu]

Your right, I am pretty aggressive but that's because I see most things going downhill and I like to attack them like I have a very small hope for a change. It might sound silly but it gets rid of the frustration.

In a thread based on why the OP wants to stop the Pokemon games it's perfectly reasonable.

...Firstly, in no moment did I say you were being unreasonable. With anything you were saying. Do I disagree with you bashing a game just because the OP did it? Yes. Big difference.

You told me not to go bashing a series because I no longer have interest in it. Seems kinda like saying I'm being unreasonable while it's also the whole point of the thread as well, because we find it's just getting worse and worse.

I'm complaining because they're not going anywhere with it, just the same shit over and over.

Congratulations! You just pointed out the basic thing that makes most, if not all, game franchises successful; the theory of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it." By that logic, every successful video game franchise should just hang itself because no matter what changes, minsicule or drastic, take effect, you will always be X person doing Y thing for Z reason.

OK, first off I disagree with these minuscule changes while I would welcome the drastic changes with open arms (unless they're stupid of course). However, I just find they're getting worse altogether and instead of thinking of an entire new batch of Pokemon (because I would find that more difficult), they should do some drastic changes to the game play.

whether or not the new designs suck is a matter of opinion. Just because you don't like them, doesn't mean they suck.

I wrote that specifically so you wouldn't throw the "it's my opinion so die in a fire!" card. The whole point of what I said was so that you'd mention that it was your opinion, not sit there stating it proudly as if you've unveiled some fun fact that no one knew about.

But I believe they do suck so strongly that I am going to say it. Are you going to tell me fans can say they're awesome while I can't say they can go in a fire? I said it once and that's it, and I said it because that's how I feel.

I just find they're gradually getting worse.

Anyone with the nostalgia issue is going to think the same. You'll always have those people that go "My generation was the best!" etc., etc. Just because you think so doesn't make it true. See above.

Once again, I believe they're getting more bland altogether, not because I have nostalgia. You say it's because of nostalgia again then I will strike back because your basically saying I'm ignorant, that I don't know any better.

I never rubbed it in anyone's face as fact,

Never said you rubbed it in anyone's face. I said:

instead of offering up a negative statement as if it were fact.

Please don't put words in my mouth.

And I never said that you said I rubbed it in as fact?

Also, you said to keep your opinion as your opinion. What the hell does that even mean? I already said I stated my opinion myself, and I wanted it to be negative because that's how I feel, and I will continue to do so.

he quoted me to know why and I gave him my reasons.

You didn't so much give him your reasons as you did state your opinion in a rather arrogant way, as if to say "this is my opinion, and damn all who oppose it." Even if that was not your intention, that's how you came off, in my opinion anyway (cwuteyedidthar?). It's one thing to say you no longer like something because you don't agree with the decisions the developers made. It's another thing entirely saying that something sucks because you don't agree with those decisions. You see what I'm getting at?

I hope you understand my intentions better now!

So in the end it's all comes to one opinion of how we interpret it. Yes, I do understand your intentions but do you understand mine? I want to be aggressive towards the franchise because I completely disagree with their actions. Abusing it by getting away with more bland products. I'm sick of seeing it, it happens with everything, they don't try to improve at all, just minuscule changes.

 

[Kyman102]

People who want Pokemon to end need to be raped to death.

WHOA, WHOA, WHOA, WHOA, WHOA... Slow down there buddy...

I also think that Pokemon should keep going, but... Dude... Raped to death?

Man, I've gotten overzealous in my defense of Pokemon Fifth Generation, but the most I've said to somebody is that they should shut up and stop being whiney little bitches. I've never wished rape or death on someone.

As a complete stranger whom you've never met outside this thread, I politely suggest that you take a breath, really think about what you said, and sit down and think about what it really means.

Dude, not cool.

 

[Aethren]

But then were would we get our Pokemon hentai?

 

[Nostalgia]

Kill it kill it with fire!
black and white must die for the sake of all true pokefans. the new pokemon look like utter shit!
seriously, what do you call this shit:

Hey look! I can cherry pick bad looking Pokemon too!

Also, don't diss jousting beetle. :<

 

[DaBozz]

Kill it kill it with fire!
black and white must die for the sake of all true pokefans. the new pokemon look like utter shit!
seriously, what do you call this shit:

Hey look! I can cherry pick bad looking Pokemon too!

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/rbspr/rbspr068.png[/img
Also, don't diss jousting beetle. :<[/quote]

Heh, I did not Cherry pick, uploading all the 150 B/W pokemon would have taken too long, and frankly those pieces of crap are not worth my time.

and hey you Called Jynx bad looking...you are racist xP

 

[Bluesclues]

snipmeister

I meant "keep your opinion as your opinion" as more of how we convey our opinions, not so much how we interpret each others. I can understand your position on the subject and even agree with you on some points, but I'm just saying to keep in mind that there are other people with varying opinions on the matter. Case in point, something you said earlier in the thread (the bold line):

Most Escapists are mature enough not to flame each other over something so insignificant. There won't be a flame war, if anyone see's flames then they will put it out with that special red button.

As for the wording, I didn't see anything wrong with it. He's just bashing the new Pokemon a bit and that's perfectly acceptable, your allowed to bash things just not people, because then that would be trolling.

I think you're quite confused on what you're allowed to do on the Escapist. You aren't allowed to bash anything because the moderators here understand that everyone has their own opinion, and that bashing something would offend that opinion (assuming they are opposed to it). That's like if you/I were to make a thread talking about homosexuality that repeatedly bashed homosexuals, saying how homosexuality is the bane of our existence and that homosexuals suck and they should be ended, and as the last sentence of the OP, you/I address the U.N. pleading to them to go around exterminating homosexuals...and then, after a few angry posts from other members, you/I post "relax, I wasn't serious, it's a hyperbole, I don't actually believe this thread will affect the minds of the members of the U.N...but I still stand by what I said." You realize how quickly you/I would be banned? Yes, I'm aware that situation is much more extreme, but the basic principle still stands. You don't do that.

 

[MentalBakura]

I would have thought the same, until details were revealed on Black and White. Looks like Nintendo are actually changing things up with Pokemon for the first time in years. I'm actually interested in the franchise for the first time since Ruby and Sapphire.

 

[Bluesclues]

to long... did not read

Wow this thread lasted longer then i thought... people getting into this enough to write essays. Is this ok for a compromise? Don't stop making games/merchandise/cards cause nintendo just won't. there money in it. But please, just stop making increasingly crappy looking pokemon. There's enough of them. the ratio of good/bad pokemon per new release has tipped heavily to the 'bad' end o the spectrum.

Secondly, if your gunna make games, do something different dammit! Pokemon Snap: FUN, Hey You, Pickachu!: FUN (albeit annoying to no earthly end) Colosseum: Decent, and cool to play with friends and fellow fans, Mystery Dungeon: Almost exactly what i wanted nintendo to do, if they just made it 3d, then hell yeah!

What do all these games have in common? They aren't the same damn handheld version redone with minor tweaks to gameplay and revisions of incredibly shit 'stories'. Nintendo has the potential to make new and interesting things using pokemon. it has done it. Why not do it again? doodling ridiculous and just silly monster drawings and then calling them new material just shouldn't cut it anymore.

Fans and casual player, anyone of the millions who play it, should ask for better from nintendo after paying out the shit-pipe again and again for their gaming kibble.

-sigh- Once more I have to point out that just because you think it's shit, doesn't make it so. From what I've read in this thread, you're actually part of the minority that believes this series needs any such drastic change, or even death. Read my other posts here because I'm honestly tired of repeating myself over and over.

 

[Terminate421]

So lets all stop the fun that diamond and pearl gave us as well as stop the potential fun we will have when black and white come out just because YOU hate some pokemon.

What people fail to realize is that these are creatures that represent something, its not necessarily an animal. Other wise what the fuck would Mr. Mime represent

Despite having blue as my first game I think that the 2nd generation and the 4th generation are the best, why?
For starters they had the best pokemon.
The second thing, is that they mixed things up the most.

Second generation brought us IV's and Breeding.
Fourth Generation brought Online and a Physical and Special split.

The fifth generation looks interesting, Im not going to say that it is the best or even close to that, but its on level with red and blue at the moment (at least for me)

If you went back and played Red and Blue now, you'd think they suck. I can almost garuntee it, why? Because its outdated, things don't work out, but its something you had a while back. Nostalgia is what is clouding your vision right now and if you let that happen, then we wouldn't have many great games.
Change to this series is important, just having 251 or any other set number would limit the pokemon's capabilities and we would never see all the combinations available, I mean, one of the new pokemon is a Fire and Bug type. Name one other pokemon that has that exact typing, you can't, why? Because they decided to create it now. If we don't have creativity like this, the franchise might as well fail as a whole and nothing ever changes. Its like changing the guns available from Halo 3 to Halo: Reach, without those changes, everything would have fallen to shit and, despite it being a halo game, it wouldn't have sold as well. Without change we cannot move on. And its undevelopmental people like the OP who fail to realize this.

If its your opinion, fine.

But don't make a fucking poll just so something has to go YOUR way.

 

[Something Amyss]

They need to make it fun and interesting and new again.

But as long as they can add 80 new Pokemon and a few pallete swaps, they never will.

 

[Terminate421]

They need to make it fun and interesting and new again.

But as long as they can add 80 new Pokemon and a few pallete swaps, they never will.

Actually they have added quite a few more things than that.

Have you played any of the newer ones? The differences are quite clear.

 

[strum4h]

No, don't end it. But actually make a new game.

Hear me out:

Rather than adding 8 bajillion pokemon, add about 50. Spend the rest of your time and money on an actually interesting story, improved overworld mechanics, etc.

*claps*

Well Said Sir...

Well said

The variety of pokemon is one of the main parts of the game. People can form tons of combinations of teams to battle eachother with. Also the basic story to pokemon is what makes it great. Making it less of a grind would be the way to go.