Vuljatar said:
bjj hero said:
There's talk of tyranny but no one said much of anything when George W was bringing in the patriot act.
You must not have been listening.
I remember a pretty damn huge uproar--not this huge, certainly, but Obama is doing even more to take away our freedoms than Bush did.
On topic: This has nothing to do with race. Obama is the most socialist president the United States has ever had. That's what this is about.
Ummmmmmmm I hate to break it to ya dude, but ummmmmmm there was this thing called WW1 and during that time there was this president by the name of Woodrow Wilson, he actually considered himself a socialist, and wasn't afraid to admit it. Also there was this other guy named Teddy Roosevelt, he gave us socialized education (aka public schooling)Lyndon B Johnston gave us Medicare and Medicade (if you had done your research you would know he wanted these for everyone but had to settle for people over 65, and REALLY REALLY poor people)
as far as Obama is concerned, he has proven to be JUST as centrist as this guy you might remember from the 1990's he goes by the name Clinton. in fact possibly more so, in that he has actually gone ahead and made deals with the corporate big wigs to help his plan through, he NEVER even brought the single payer option to the table (which is the one where u pick your doctor, and the doctor says you need this surgery and then he calls the US government says hey Vuljatar needs this surgery give me the money, and they send it over to the doctor)
And if you are referring to the fact that we the people now own the banking system AND GM, well, that's got more to do with those big wigs again suddenly realizing that capitalism (aka survival of the fittest) would mean their downfall and they dont like that idea ( figure that one out it is still boggling my mind, i guess its survival of the fittest as long as Im still the fittest otherwise it shouldnt work that way)
Before you make baseless statements, DO YOUR RESEARCH cuz otherwise you just annoy people.
oh and please elaborate on these freedoms that have been taken away, Id like to hear about them. cuz if i remember rightly the patriot act got rid of 80% of mine ( that's an obvious exaggeration but u get the point)