I think it's there decision, but only if they've tried to get some help about it first. If they still want to end there lives, that's alright with me.
Poll: Suicide... Is it really our place to tell people whether or not to kill themselves?
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It's a "say what we tell you to say of Lose your job that you are dependent on" sort of situation. Doesn't change the fact that it Could be her opinion as well. Fact is, she said it. It pissed me off and me alone, cuz apparently 90% of my peers can't comprehend death.Wedlock49 said:
He's just a kid. He's supposed to be a burden, that's what kids do, at least materially. Most guardians have the decency not no point it out though, plus the good ones actually enjoy it.
Anyway, at that age even if life is so unbearably horrible, it will get better. I guess I don't have an objection to an adult deciding to end their life, even if I personally would absolutely never under any circumstances begin to consider such an option, but minors simply don't have the perspective necessary to make that choice rationally.
Anyway, at that age even if life is so unbearably horrible, it will get better. I guess I don't have an objection to an adult deciding to end their life, even if I personally would absolutely never under any circumstances begin to consider such an option, but minors simply don't have the perspective necessary to make that choice rationally.
Of course it's your duty to stop a friend from killing themselves for being unhappy. They're not dying of some terminal illness with just morphine keeping them from going insane with pain. They're at a bad time in their life. If all it took to convince him not to kill himself was you, then you should realize the worth he puts in you. Be there for your bro.
Man up.HellbirdIV said:
Honestly guys, wtf? I know you only get 1 life but if you barged into my door LIKE YOU GUYS DID ON HEY HEY IT'S SATURDAY, YOU BASTARDS, IT IS NOT RACIST YOU RACIST INTOLERABLY LITTLE... screaming at me what to do then i'd probably hit you in the face and do it out of spite.
Reasons to NOT Commit Suicide:
(Your Situation/Environment) Happiness comes and goes. Killing yourself because you are truly unhappy right right now is extremely shortsighted. If you let time pass, you'll eventually find happiness again. Trying to claim 'I'm always sad, I'm always going to be sad, so there's nothing left to live for,' just indicates that your standards are Way to high. I'm not rich, I drive a compact car, and my last three girlfriends cheated on me. But I've decided I'm going to make the most of my situation so that if I'm ever killed in action, I will have spent my last day living happier than the same day of the guy that killed me.
(Your Responsibilities/Obligations) Right now, I'm raising two of my second cousins since I'm the only family that lives in the area of their school and friends. I wouldn't kill myself because they are relying on me to provide for them. Likewise, I'm contributing much of my time and money to making sure they're well fed, getting a proper education, and are happy with their lives. So if one of them decided to commit suicide, I'd be tempted to have a near death experience just so I could meet them in the afterlife and get my time and money back.
(The Exception) I do understand that suicide is an option considered by the elderly. The reason isn't always because they want the pain to stop, but also because they wish to preserve their dignity. Bedpans, morphine drips, catheters are not just painful, but undignified for the elderly after having lived a lifetime of independence and self-reliance. When the goal is the preservation of dignity or management of pain, the decision should be left to the individual.
(Final Answer)
Teen/Emo suicides: Wrong, citing short sightedness and selfishness.
Parent-with-dependent(s) suicides: Wrong, citing paternal obligations.
Elderly suicides: Possible alternative, citing preservation of dignity and overwhelming pain.
(Your Situation/Environment) Happiness comes and goes. Killing yourself because you are truly unhappy right right now is extremely shortsighted. If you let time pass, you'll eventually find happiness again. Trying to claim 'I'm always sad, I'm always going to be sad, so there's nothing left to live for,' just indicates that your standards are Way to high. I'm not rich, I drive a compact car, and my last three girlfriends cheated on me. But I've decided I'm going to make the most of my situation so that if I'm ever killed in action, I will have spent my last day living happier than the same day of the guy that killed me.
(Your Responsibilities/Obligations) Right now, I'm raising two of my second cousins since I'm the only family that lives in the area of their school and friends. I wouldn't kill myself because they are relying on me to provide for them. Likewise, I'm contributing much of my time and money to making sure they're well fed, getting a proper education, and are happy with their lives. So if one of them decided to commit suicide, I'd be tempted to have a near death experience just so I could meet them in the afterlife and get my time and money back.
(The Exception) I do understand that suicide is an option considered by the elderly. The reason isn't always because they want the pain to stop, but also because they wish to preserve their dignity. Bedpans, morphine drips, catheters are not just painful, but undignified for the elderly after having lived a lifetime of independence and self-reliance. When the goal is the preservation of dignity or management of pain, the decision should be left to the individual.
(Final Answer)
Teen/Emo suicides: Wrong, citing short sightedness and selfishness.
Parent-with-dependent(s) suicides: Wrong, citing paternal obligations.
Elderly suicides: Possible alternative, citing preservation of dignity and overwhelming pain.
Life's just a tad bit too precious to consider it so frivolously. No man is an island, and just by living your day-to-day you build relationships. It's impossible that you'd kill yourself and someone wouldn't miss you unless you're that select, exceedingly rare minority.
Yeah. Sure. Life sucks. It sucks so much that they find ways to work it into religions- and depending on where you look it'll range from, "Shit happens" in Buddhism, to "Shit happened because you were born with sin!" as a Catholic.
On the other hand life's pretty damn long. I intend to live till I'm 100. At least. If I ever consider my life to be pretty much a wreck I just remember than I still have 4/5ths of my life to fix it. I'd say that's plenty of time.
Yeah. Sure. Life sucks. It sucks so much that they find ways to work it into religions- and depending on where you look it'll range from, "Shit happens" in Buddhism, to "Shit happened because you were born with sin!" as a Catholic.
On the other hand life's pretty damn long. I intend to live till I'm 100. At least. If I ever consider my life to be pretty much a wreck I just remember than I still have 4/5ths of my life to fix it. I'd say that's plenty of time.
Yeah, I don't know who did that to you, but you shouldn't kill yourself because of it... You should kill them! Bwahahaha! JKrapidoud said:
Seriously, though, you seem like an easy target for Reverse-Psychology.
To Everyone Else: Barge into this guys room and yell at him, "Don't give me all your money!"
It largely depends on you. If you've managed to talk them out of it then they weren't truely committed to it. One should always try to talk someone out of it, but never force them.
Afer my first suicide attempt, I told my friends that if I ever strongly felt like doing it again I would, and that I didn't want them to stop me. So far, I haven't felt that level again, but I remain confident that I will eventually. Life doesn't get better for everyone. That is why some people die alone and miserable.
Do what you think is right.
Afer my first suicide attempt, I told my friends that if I ever strongly felt like doing it again I would, and that I didn't want them to stop me. So far, I haven't felt that level again, but I remain confident that I will eventually. Life doesn't get better for everyone. That is why some people die alone and miserable.
Do what you think is right.
If he really wanted to die, he would have done it without any fuss, and written a note instead expressing what he told you in person.
If somebody comes to you threatening suicide, I think it is an obligation to try and dissuade them. Purely because of the fact that if they're looking for outside approval, they're probably not sure about it. You don't pussyfoot around a decision like that; either you do it or you don't.
What you did is probably the nicest thing I have read of on these forums. I really hope this all works out.
If somebody comes to you threatening suicide, I think it is an obligation to try and dissuade them. Purely because of the fact that if they're looking for outside approval, they're probably not sure about it. You don't pussyfoot around a decision like that; either you do it or you don't.
What you did is probably the nicest thing I have read of on these forums. I really hope this all works out.
At least his grandparents care about him, so that's something.
I don't feel as if I have the right to say no they can't. I'd argue with him and try and convince him otherwise because I don't think it's the right thing to do; but, I don't believe I have the right to categorically deny him.
Edit: Reading that back the dig at "grandparents really could give two shits" was a bit harsh considering the subject.
I don't feel as if I have the right to say no they can't. I'd argue with him and try and convince him otherwise because I don't think it's the right thing to do; but, I don't believe I have the right to categorically deny him.
Edit: Reading that back the dig at "grandparents really could give two shits" was a bit harsh considering the subject.
Morally speaking, he has obligations to society.
Personally speaking, he has obligations to those he knows.
So he gets into fights. He also does drugs and get bad grades? He should get his shit straight and solve his problems. The selfish emo shit he's going through now doesn't help anyone. Suicide is selfish and childish, and so is threatening to do so.
Also, a shocking amount of kids consider suicide. It's selfish and childish crap. Thinking you're a burden, that you're unworthy, that the world is better off without you. Boohoo. Then you find out the whole world doesn't give a shit, and it's up to you. It all changes once you get into the real world. If you need to find a home and food, a job, get a girlfriend.
Sorry if I'm biased or agressive. I've just had some mates go through this crap, and it pisses me off.
Personally speaking, he has obligations to those he knows.
So he gets into fights. He also does drugs and get bad grades? He should get his shit straight and solve his problems. The selfish emo shit he's going through now doesn't help anyone. Suicide is selfish and childish, and so is threatening to do so.
Also, a shocking amount of kids consider suicide. It's selfish and childish crap. Thinking you're a burden, that you're unworthy, that the world is better off without you. Boohoo. Then you find out the whole world doesn't give a shit, and it's up to you. It all changes once you get into the real world. If you need to find a home and food, a job, get a girlfriend.
Sorry if I'm biased or agressive. I've just had some mates go through this crap, and it pisses me off.
I'm not gonna touch on the moral side of things but part of it stems from the fact that everyone likely has debt of some kind or another and because of that if you just kill yourself on a whim those services or people you owed in life have no one to claim from or only your remaining living relatives if any are to be found.
So there can be considered a social aspect to it where people don't want others to commit suicide like this because it most likely means someone or several people all of a sudden don't get money they expected or employees not coming to work for shifts which leaves the the remaining having to shoulder part or possibly all of the burden of the recently dead,which could mean higher prices,less for the same prices or etc.
So there can be considered a social aspect to it where people don't want others to commit suicide like this because it most likely means someone or several people all of a sudden don't get money they expected or employees not coming to work for shifts which leaves the the remaining having to shoulder part or possibly all of the burden of the recently dead,which could mean higher prices,less for the same prices or etc.
You have every right to try to convince him otherwise, I mean if you do manage to convince him then that means he really didn't want to do it in the first place and if he told you he was going to I think he wanted you to talk him out of it.
Im glad he didn't tell him things will get better in time.
Im glad he didn't tell him things will get better in time.
Good for you man. That's a tough situation, and I guess many people just see it from a selfish perspective to deicide that suicide is the best way out (for them) even though it makes it worse for everyone else.The Lost Big Boss said:
I had a good mate in high school who went through a similar situation: Dad cheated, family fell apart. However then his Mum could not deal with her husband's cheating and she committed suicide. My friend and his brother lost their Mum and hated their Dad. There was a fight at her funeral.
Anyway - thanks for sharing your story.
Suicide is weak.
Never mind telling someone not to kill themselves; you can't really stop them from doing it if they really want to. I think it's usually worthwhile to convince someone to live (and of course, you should never TELL someone they should kill themselves). Typically, there's always at least some hope in living, and a lot of the most successful people in the world started with next to nothing.
Still, if someone is truly suffering and wants to end it all, as unfair as it might seem, I think it's best to respect their wishes if there really isn't any way out of their situation. Of course, I think that applies more to people with terminal illnesses and quadruple amputees than your friend.
Still, if someone is truly suffering and wants to end it all, as unfair as it might seem, I think it's best to respect their wishes if there really isn't any way out of their situation. Of course, I think that applies more to people with terminal illnesses and quadruple amputees than your friend.
Ask yourself two question and think about it -
why does the concept of suicide even exist?
are human the only creatures who commit suicide?
the nature of suicide, and it is a natural thing, I assure you, is conventionally viewed as something morbid, obscene even. Contemplating it is not a nice place to be in. But why do people, some one exactly like you and me, why do they feel that they are in such a position where the only way out is to take themselves out?
There really is no one answer to that. It is theorized that suicide is an evolutionary hang up, something left over from the early developments of social structures where by any creature that was unneeded or had no place in the burgeoning societies would stop being a burden by killing themselves.
humans ain't the only ones to commit suicide either - many other creatures have been documented to have - dogs have been seen to jump off bridges, whales to beach themselves.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35798594/
http://news.discovery.com/animals/animal-suicide-behavior.html
I have thought quite a bit about suicide, not killing myself, but the nature of it, the mechanism behind it's mental processes. Is it a case of social darwinism? Are those who feel suicidal just a part of the natural order? Or, is it all an illusion? Is suicide NOT an evolutionary catch up, but a marker, a warning sign - something telling us all what is wrong, that everything ain't all right in this world, that hey, things are pretty fucked up, and maybe, just maybe this is not the way things are meant ta be.
ya know, when people stop killing themselves cause how shitty their lives are, then I'll believe we're in the future.
why does the concept of suicide even exist?
are human the only creatures who commit suicide?
the nature of suicide, and it is a natural thing, I assure you, is conventionally viewed as something morbid, obscene even. Contemplating it is not a nice place to be in. But why do people, some one exactly like you and me, why do they feel that they are in such a position where the only way out is to take themselves out?
There really is no one answer to that. It is theorized that suicide is an evolutionary hang up, something left over from the early developments of social structures where by any creature that was unneeded or had no place in the burgeoning societies would stop being a burden by killing themselves.
humans ain't the only ones to commit suicide either - many other creatures have been documented to have - dogs have been seen to jump off bridges, whales to beach themselves.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35798594/
http://news.discovery.com/animals/animal-suicide-behavior.html
I have thought quite a bit about suicide, not killing myself, but the nature of it, the mechanism behind it's mental processes. Is it a case of social darwinism? Are those who feel suicidal just a part of the natural order? Or, is it all an illusion? Is suicide NOT an evolutionary catch up, but a marker, a warning sign - something telling us all what is wrong, that everything ain't all right in this world, that hey, things are pretty fucked up, and maybe, just maybe this is not the way things are meant ta be.
ya know, when people stop killing themselves cause how shitty their lives are, then I'll believe we're in the future.
No, it isn't our place. I want to be in control of my own destiny, I don't believe in souls or (faith based) sins or afterlives. I want to be able to say when and how and have people keep their fucking nose out.
I usually think this in terms of something like medically assisted suicide but I also would not presume to think that I know better than people about their own lives and while people may have suicidal ideation, that does not mean that they will go through with it, very few actually do. I wonder if the stigma attached to it means that some people who really do just need someone to talk to find that they cannot because all they hear is "suicide is bad m'kay" without getting to the root of their problems.
I usually think this in terms of something like medically assisted suicide but I also would not presume to think that I know better than people about their own lives and while people may have suicidal ideation, that does not mean that they will go through with it, very few actually do. I wonder if the stigma attached to it means that some people who really do just need someone to talk to find that they cannot because all they hear is "suicide is bad m'kay" without getting to the root of their problems.