Poll: What's your opinion on Loli and Lolicon?
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I'm no expert on the matter, but I assume that it's sort of like video games. You have your normal, average person that enjoys gaming as a harmless bit of fun. You also have your sickos that play games, but eventually go out and kill/torture people for real. In the case of lolicon you have your average viewer, a person such as myself, that enjoys the art style of lolicon and enjoys viewing both normal and hentai versions of it, but doesn't like children that way at all and finds the sexualisation of actual children to be one of the most repulsive things in the world. As with gaming, you also have your sickos that act on their urges and go out and do certain acts that I believe the death penalty should be used as punishment for.Imperator_DK said:
The main problem with lolicon, as far as I can tell, is that child molestation is so damaging to the victims of it and that it is extremely difficult to tell what the person viewing lolicon is actually like. Gaming is very easy to tell as most gamers don't go on killing sprees, but things like lolicon are much harder to work out due to the moronic taboo that society has placed on the discussion of sex. Gaming has pulled itself out of that rut, to the point that openly admitting you play games to any group of people is almost a non-issue. As opposed to saying that you like pornography or lolicon to a general group of people, which is a very effective method of committing social suicide. Until sex becomes far less of a taboo subject, research into the different reasons that people look at things such as lolicon is impossible.
[small]Sorry if it makes no sense. I'm dead tired right now, so it looks like it makes sense to me, but I have no idea if it does.[/small]
I agree on both points.Alpha1089 said:
It's very likely - almost to the point of certainty - that "lolicon" will affect different people individually. If think it's safe to say that not all who view it will be paedophiles, and not all paedophiles who view it will ever criminally offend.
The question however, would be whether it makes some of them offend more than they otherwise would had they not viewed this specific kind of stuff. Or whether it makes them offend less than they otherwise would have due to being given a harmless outlet. It would not surprise me that both effects could be found, though it would be the more prevalent of them I'd go by when ethically evaluating it.
What I was getting at was really whether it instilled desires not already there, or amplified those desires into criminal behaviour on a more general level. There will always be sicko's who think that a street light flickering is a sign that they should go snuff someone out, but it's the general effect/risk on the "median" user of this specific stuff I was going for.
And you're quite right that the taboo surrounding this kind of stuff will make it exceedingly hard to perform a larger study. It could be done though, especially since people - here at least - seem quite open about it under internet anonymity.
Uhm. Have fun?
Interest in drawings/animations of minors is in no way harming anyone and, indeed, is an outlet for the people who are stuck with the feelings of attraction, but understand that physical realisation of said feelings would be reprehensible.
So, my opinion is why the hell not? No one is hurt, after all- paedophiles don't hurt people, Child molestors do.
Interest in drawings/animations of minors is in no way harming anyone and, indeed, is an outlet for the people who are stuck with the feelings of attraction, but understand that physical realisation of said feelings would be reprehensible.
So, my opinion is why the hell not? No one is hurt, after all- paedophiles don't hurt people, Child molestors do.
Did you even think before you typed that? Like, seriously?snowplow said:
I will now respond on the EXTREMELY off chance that you are not a troll: A pedophile who acts on his urges has committed a horrible crime against a child. A homosexual who acts on his urges simply has consenting sex with another homosexual. The fact that you think homosexuality is as bad as pedophilia (or even just BAD) suggests a level of idiocy not fit to walk freely about the escapist.
Now, acting on the very HIGH probability that you ARE a troll: Well played.
I have views that are conflicted on this one. For instance, its important to note one thing: a paedophile is someone who psychologically is wired to be sexually attracted to children while a child molester is someone who has engaged in the sexual violation of a child.
Now I cannot, and will not condemn someone with the intense misfortune of waking up one day and finding their brain is wired in a way that makes suicide look appealing. Honestly how the hell does someone reconcile with themselves when the realise this?
Indeed I once wondered that if perhaps loli manga was an option for those with this affliction to allow them a safe legal outlet, would its legalisation be the lesser of two evils or just giving up?
It would be great if every child was guarded every day by clones of Optimus Prime, lets see Mr. Child Rapist take him on and win.
Also posted in [link]http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.230813-Censorship-specifically-that-involving-children?page=5#8103111[/link]
Now I cannot, and will not condemn someone with the intense misfortune of waking up one day and finding their brain is wired in a way that makes suicide look appealing. Honestly how the hell does someone reconcile with themselves when the realise this?
Indeed I once wondered that if perhaps loli manga was an option for those with this affliction to allow them a safe legal outlet, would its legalisation be the lesser of two evils or just giving up?
It would be great if every child was guarded every day by clones of Optimus Prime, lets see Mr. Child Rapist take him on and win.
Also posted in [link]http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.230813-Censorship-specifically-that-involving-children?page=5#8103111[/link]
I don't know... I'm not sure I know what Lolicon is, though by reading the first few comments it doesn't sound too good.
The difference is that children are involved. So I have nothing against paedophiles and I feel sorry for them however they should never act upon their urges... Which is probably extremely difficult to suppress. It's a double standard, true... But it's one I and many accept.
Though in Snowplows favour... Paedophilia is equal to homosexuality and heterosexuality. Paedophiles cannot help the fact that they are attracted to children... They can help it no more than I can help being attracted to females.Hawkeye16 said:
The difference is that children are involved. So I have nothing against paedophiles and I feel sorry for them however they should never act upon their urges... Which is probably extremely difficult to suppress. It's a double standard, true... But it's one I and many accept.
I think you misunderstood his point.Hawkeye16 said:
People who like children are in essence no different from people who like members of their own sex.
You made two extremes right there.
You compared sexual abuse with consensual homosexuality.
He compared two differing feelings.
If you were comparing sexual abuse with homosexual abuse it could be forgiven but your comparing a criminal offence with a state of mind.
I didn't say the the person with pedophilia was evilGamesB2 said:
but the pedophilia itself as a illness is evil
as long as a person doesn't act on their urges their not evil.
What makes it worse is that for lack of a better term you can catch pedophilia
I knew someone who was molested as a child. he was never watched by his uncaring mother and she let him wander around a large apartment alone, he made friend with a man in the building. and they played "Power Rangers" together and in this version of Power Rangers one had to get naked to morph. when he was older he went on to molest other including someone very close to me.
I'm told that it is not uncommon for victims of molestation to go on to molest others.
this person is not to come around anyone in my family (because of the restraining order)
but I do fell somewhat bad for him, maybe if what had happed to him never happed then maybe thing would be different. this is why I view pedophilia as evil.
I'm sorry that happened and I feel bad for him.ANImaniac89 said:
I know people who have had similar cases, not always the same but similar in respects.
The act of sexual molestation is an unforgivable one because of the amount of psychological damage it incurs.
But condemning everyone who is a paedophile halts our ability to understand.
A few years ago, the same reaction that paedophilia causes now would have been received for homosexuality.
I don't think it's right. And as I am the most open minded of my friends I have spoken to people who have these urges and don't like them.
But social stigma stops them talking about it openly, so it becomes repressed and that in turn causes psychological damage too.
Out of all the people in the world with an attraction to young people. How many will actually abuse?
2%? Less? I severely doubt it's much.
I'm not saying it should be accepted as a normal state of mind. But it should at least be understood. The urge is not something you can control. But your actions can be.