Poll: What's your opinion on Loli and Lolicon?

[Fensfield]

My opinion? An enjoyment of anime-style art depicting young girls, possibly with a sexualised element, possibly not.

There's certainly more to it than simple paedophilia, for the simple fact that anyone 'might be defined as a lolicon can fail to fill any of the requirements under the definition of paedophile (not that the two are mutually exclusive).

In the end I figure it comes down to a simple case of the real/unreal divide. Of course, there's more complexity to it than that, but I'd sit myself as ambivalent, if only because while some of the things said against lolicon-style art are valid, a greater many are simple knee-jerk reactions, issues of social (rather than moral) acceptability, and oftentimes, massive failures in understanding its cultural (and in some small cases historical) roots and actual meaning.

Hell, by that definition, I guess I skirt the edges of being so - the better part of the anime I enjoy are pieces like CardCaptor Sakura, Fairy Musketeer Akazukin, and Figure17. 'Course, my interest is as much for the rare, bright-accented-by-dark perspective delivered by the series themselves as for the characters .. but still.

 

[Zhukov]

Icky but harmless.

I don't mind what people do with drawings, even if I personally find it kinda gross.

EDIT:

I don't understand how people can find pedophilia disturbing but are perfectly fine with homosexuality.

Uhh... because homosexual relationships are between consenting adults?

By the way, I'd equip your flameshield if I were you.

 

[TheDist]

I don't understand how people can find pedophilia disturbing but are perfectly fine with homosexuality.

Because in most cases hemosexual activity happens between two consenting adults.

With pedophilia one must question if a child involved is even able to "knowingly" consent to it, which we all know by law they cannot. Psychologicaly it is very very damaging to the child involved.

I am sorry but that is one of the more ingornant things ive read for awhile.

 

[The Journey]

Honestly, if you like it, fine.

It's like old men staring at the high-school girls as they walk home from school. Sure, it's not to your tastes and most of those girls will be under age, but if he doesn't hurt anyone I won't begrudge him having his wishes for youth and a young lover.

As long as it isn't hurting anyone, I don't particularly mind what you do.

Proper CP though, anyone that is a proponent of it's continued proliferation in the underbelly of the net should be shot.

 

[etherlance]

Trust me there is much more fucked up porn on theinternet than these lolicon hentai's

For example I recently against my will was introduced to cactus porn.......
....yeeeeaahhh I know...

 

[Fetzenfisch]

Did anyone who came up with the terminology "lolicon" actually read Lolita? Wasn't the whole point of that book exposing how much of a fucking creep Humbert Humbert was? As much as I'd like to dig up Nabokov and shit in his grave for giving us the name from where the terminology is derived, somehow I think the Japanese misinterpreted everything.

Anyway, it's paedophilia. Straight-out paedophilia.

/sign

Oh how surprised i was to find that no-one responded to this

you can't really put "read" a "book" and then something "older than 2006" in one post and expect that actually more than 2 people on here know it ( and the one of those are you).

 

[TheDist]

By compairing it to homosexuality in such a way you sort of miss the while psychological point. You might be better compairing it to bestilatiy since it involves sexual thoughts/feelings/impulses towards something that while alive is not able to consent.

While I will agree people can think what they like and often cannot help what they feel. The diffrence comes when or indeed if an action does take place. If homosexuals find sexual love then that is between two people who know exactly what they are doing.

If a man tryed to find sexual love with a 2 year old then how would it be diffrent to trying to find it with say a dog? (other than maybe the dog could fight back).

That is the fundamental diffrence betwen homosexual thoughts and pedophilic thoughts.

Should a person keep it to themself then indeed it is no ones business but their own. It is when an action is attempted or carried out that it is indeed a very diffrent story.

 

[DDarkRavenC]

I love the loli, but it's a total turnoff if they are 'victims'. The way I see it, it's the harming of the underdeveloped mind that is the crime. Very similar if you took advantage of a mentally-handicapped, but of age woman. In today's world, a young body comes with a young mind, so it's considered one and the same and thus is a crime. There could be a future where bodies could be switched out, so you have a young body with a 'legal' mind, what then?

I do not think that lolicon = pedo. If loli's were real they'd be horribly anorexic and let face it, not attractive at all. Personally I find my lolicon tendencies play out as an increased attraction to smaller women, both in height and assets. But then again I'm also highly attracted to taller women, for their innate physical dominance. Regardless, anyone under 16 or so in RL in is unattractive to me.

In short, I like my loli's mature because the interplay between their visual age and their mental age is attractive to me, especially if she's more forward. The weak, resistant, 'realistic' loli is bleh, IMO.

Vamp loli from Negima - hot
KnJ - somewhat ick, hot if one doesn't consider why she's that way.
Toddlercon of anykind - very ick

As for the clothing style - adorable.

 

[Fensfield]

Did anyone who came up with the terminology "lolicon" actually read Lolita? Wasn't the whole point of that book exposing how much of a fucking creep Humbert Humbert was? As much as I'd like to dig up Nabokov and shit in his grave for giving us the name from where the terminology is derived, somehow I think the Japanese misinterpreted everything.

Anyway, it's paedophilia. Straight-out paedophilia.

/sign

Oh how surprised i was to find that no-one responded to this

you can't really put "read" a "book" and then something "older than 2006" in one post and expect that actually more than 2 people on here know it ( and the one of those are you).

Right, except Lolita wasn't about 'exposing how much of a f****** creep Humbert Humber was'; the book took a startlingly even-handed view of the man as a character and didn't actively portray him as evil. The book was about the fact that the male character's sexual involvement with a twelve year-old obliterated both their lives. It wasn't an avilicious 'This is a bad man and you should hate him', it was 'What these two people did was inherently damaging and had tragic results, take from that what you will'.

'Fact that your assigning such a blunt message to the work (not so much the second quoted poster, just included them for the sake of it) makes me wonder if you've read the book and all.

Still, I do see what you're trying to get at, at least; I've always found the irony in the term lolicon interesting.

 

[Rabarberskurk]

The people aren't pedophiles, because let's face it: 3D children are pretty damn ugly to people who are into this stuff. Anime's art style is what draws people, not the age.

This is very true and sums it all up, and any real debate should end there.

but some people just can't handle the truth I guess.

 

[Player 2]

I hate how Americans spell paedophile, a pedophile would lust after feet not children.