The generation that recreated Sexism.

[direkiller]

For every dollar a man makes doing a job, a woman doing the same job will only make 71 cents.

Women deliberately choose to work jobs that pay 29% less.

You're welcome.

I always loved manipulative statistic its the same tactics used by people wanting to prove video games cause violence


this one never took into account:
Benefits that have pay options
Payed sic days
Heath care
Maternity leave

If you factor everything in they earn the same else we would have company that higher solely woman to cut cost because the all mighty dollar is more important then sexism

 

[likalaruku]

American & European games don;t really come off as sexist to me, but Japanese ones sure as hell do. I crave one decent JRPG to ever be made, one that has a destructive, greedy, sex appeal-free Lina Inverse-style b**ch as a protagonist & an incredibly stupid good looking guy as her sidekick or something.

 

[PinkAngelKitty]

For every dollar a man makes doing a job, a woman doing the same job will only make 71 cents.

Women deliberately choose to work jobs that pay 29% less.

You're welcome.

For what? Shocking me with your edgy maverick words? Consider me swooned. :|

 

[incal11]

I play World of Warcraft, and their fanart section is often plagued with drawings of scantily clad females (and when I scantily, I mean ridiculously) in suggestive poses. And the same can be said about a lot of other pictures/video content in today's media.

So let me get this straight: Back when the rights of females were in question, this sort of objectification was highly frowned upon because it was the "men" who were just drooling over them. It was wrong.

It is not technically possible to "objectify" women. An object is an inanimate thing, and women obviously are not inanimate "objects." The use of "objectification" implies that women are being treated as if they were inanimate objects, such as statues.
"Objectification" as used by most feminists only applies to women. Despite the fact that men are arguably more "objectified" than women in modern society ,men can be objectified by women too.

In other words, I am not going to treat a woman impersonally, like some farm animal, just because I saw some drawings of scantily clad elves ; and some feminist won't care if I die on the sidewalk, because I am a man.

Pornography is made for women too, so they can drool on men ; I agree women are often exploited like animals to make porn,
but when it is imaginary, what women are being exploited ?

 

[Giest118]

For every dollar a man makes doing a job, a woman doing the same job will only make 71 cents.

Women deliberately choose to work jobs that pay 29% less.

You're welcome.

For what? Shocking me with your edgy maverick words? Consider me swooned. :|

Since you responded to something which inherently had nothing to respond to, I shall do the same.

Yeah, my edgy maverick words? They get me laid all the time, for I use them against dictators who are keeping big-chested women hostage.

 

[Pokenator]

There also tends to be a rather negative view of those who fight for the rights of females. The term "feminist" is thrown around as a joke, the social stigma is so thick it's worse than marmalade on a hot day. But maybe some males are also tired of seeing the same-old bland and shameless disrespect in so many forms of media.

I just realized in my essay before I missed out this bit- I think you will find that this is a result of a common situation I have encountered many times where you have a group of people standing around joking and someone whips out a womens joke- not because they are a sexist bastard, just because it is funny and ironic- and rather than laughing and appreciating the joke for what it is - a joke - someone (usually a female) gets very offended, stops laughing, has a rant and kills the entire thing. Ironically these kinda of people are often the first to make fun of other groups or likewise, expect men to bend over backwards for them and call it chivalry.

 

[LordWalter]

Well, is it any different with males? You gave WoW as an example, so let me use it too: every single male in that game looks like he could compete in Mr. Olympia(except the Gnome and Goblin obviously, and the BElf at least has realistically large muscle masses).

As for voice chat and in-game communication, for some people out there it is simply a matter of trolling. If sexism is what gets under a woman's skin they will do it. I don't really treat females any different than anyone else except when I mistake them for a 14 year old(with some really shitty microphones there is no difference).

^ I HAVE THE SAME DAMN PROBLEM. Damn you, technological limits. See also: I apologize for putting you in a museum in Animal Crossing and then selling all your friends for absurd amounts of bells.

 

[ObsessiveSketch]

I'm totally fine with it. We broke a major racial barrier last year, the glass ceiling'll crack soon. Girls can be as slutty or as feminist as they want, idc. I'll avoid 'em both and go for the sane ones!

 

[BonsaiK]

tl;dr: Do you think our generation (media) is recreating sexism under a different label?
Do you think women help perpetuate it with a sort of stockholm-syndrome?
Is anyone else tired of seeing the same-old thinly veiled objectification?

Also, I am a male.

The questions are too intelligent for this forum, they belong in Religion and Politics.

Objectification is perfectly natural as women (and men) are objects, and therefore will naturally be perceived as such from time to time. Ever since the first caveman drew a stick figure with a pair of circles on it on a wall with some charcoal, there's been the objectification of women through media. It hasn't changed much since then. Look at nude statues of girls in any major city over a hundred years old. Why do you think the girls are nude, why don't they have clothing on? Think about it. However, just because someone is an object doesn't mean that they're not also a person, and what a lot of gender theorists seem to miss is that it's perfectly possible to be perceived as a sexual object and a person at the same time.

The other thing you have to understand is that a lot of women actually like being appreciated for their physical attributes. Sure, they want to be taken seriously too, and have their thoughts and opinions respected, and they certainly don't want people taking unsolicited liberties etc... but there's a time and a place for everything, and I know quite a few women of the curvaceous variety who actually enjoy and find flattering the comments that they get from men (in the right contexts of course - what's appropriate in the club is not so appropriate in the office boardroom). A good female friend of mine has a body more or less like Jessica Rabbit, always wears figure-hugging or low-cut tops to enhance her already-formidable attributes and seriously enjoys the ruckus she causes every time she walks past a building site. Is she "being objectified"? I guess so. But if she enjoys it, and they enjoy it, where's the problem?

Sexual objectification cuts all sorts of ways, too. Don't assume that it's just men objectifying women, oh no. A tour through some cafes of Sydney's Oxford Street (a mini gay microcosm) reveals quickly that gay men are as keen to objectify each other as straight men are to objectify women. I remember going to a cafe there once and seeing drawings on the walls of young male waiters with exaggerated packages. And women do it too - my current girlfriend is bisexual and she's pretty fast to comment on another girl's boobs if she likes them, and even go a fair bit further than that sometimes... in public... and the amount of times I've overheard locker-room style conversations between women about guys... trust me, they do it too. All the time. Guys just tend to make a bigger display of it, because they're socially dopey and have less willpower.

If you want to look at computer game culture, sure, the tits-out stereotypical girl is ever-present (because market research has shown that "tits=cash"), as is the slightly more realistic Mirror's Edge/Half Life 2 style women, but then most men in computer games also fall into the stereotype of the brawny, muscle-bound alpha male. However, not every girl likes the beefcake guy, just like not every guy likes girls who look like a BDSM Barbie. People's tastes in the real world are vastly more varied than what one would think from looking at media.

 

[Daipire]

Seriously? I think that men are more likely to play video games, and therefore, things men like were added to said video games, to make them more enticing.

That's like saying men are misrepresented by... I don't know, what ever women like.... Shoes?...

 

[Cadmian]

I find it funny that women say they want to be treated the same as men, but when men treat women the same as other guys they get bombarded with sexual harassment suits. The truth is women want to be paid the same as men but still revered as women.

Which is perfectly fine, just actually say it instead of trying the male guilt trip.

And answer me this, why is everyone so intent on taking two separate things and saying they are the same? Thats like taking a badger and a mouse and saying they are now the exact same species. No matter how much you complain the badger wont stop being a badger in the same way a mouse wont stop being a mouse.

The funny thing with this is that people with think that I am rude about this because I am a man, and the the crazy person I really am.

 

[Snotnarok]

Guys are giant hulks in games and women are sexy, they tried to do it different in Fable where the girl gets large and no one liked it.

Just wanted to state the gaming portion of it.

 

[Twilight_guy]

Well, for one sexism has always existed and will continue to exist, probably indefinitely.
"Gamer" culture is made up of immature boys who like to oggle boobs. This is reflected in the media but immature boys are going to try and see boobs no matter what. The pervasiveness of the images probably doesn't help he fight for equality but the battle for that group was lost before the war began. Our current generation, to me, seems more aware of the issue and willing to address it. There still isn't enough support for feminism, but its more of a driving force now then it has been. In the very least, I don't see our generation as making it any worse.

 

[Yeager942]

I don't really think sexism is around that strongly anymore. I'll sometimes....usually (ALL THE TIME) make fun of feminists, but I think for the most part that sexism is dead.

 

[FaithorFire]

Until women begin lobbying congress to start altering the male brain at conception, "sexism" will continue to exist. Males are attracted to attractive females (Durr). That behavior is built into our brains from birth. The only healthy way to harness those male tenancies is to teach males to be protective and loving toward the females in their lives.
Women today have worked very hard to ensure they're not seen as people to be protected and loved. I get the sense (from the boys on the hockey team I'm a coach for) that they're made to feel inferior and insignificant when with females their age in almost every social context.
This extreme sexualizing of females is really just a horrible manifestation of thoughts that will ALWAYS be present in a male brain. Women have put a lot of effort into creating gender "equality", but it has really only flipped the situation. As long as males are punished for treating women as people to be adored and cared for, you can expect men to treat women as nothing more than objects of lust

 

[Eclectic Dreck]

No. For my generation to be recreating anything implies that the concept had vanished (even briefly) from our collective conciousness. Sexism has alwas been present, and no movement or effort has done anything more than make it taboo to openly express the ideas inherent. The fundamental reason for this is relatively simple: men and women are indeed quite different. The exact nature of those differences have been debated for millenia, and it is within this debate that the core of sexism as a concept lies.

For example, very generally women are smaller (both in mass and height), possess less muscle mass than a similarly proportioned male, and are more likely to sustain injury in any number of activities. Thus, for a very long time when one's power was determined primarily by feats of strength and endurance, women were at an inherent disadvantage. With other non-obvious differences one quickly realizes why the debate exists. Some people say that women are better at particular problem sets than men but hard data is debunked nearly as quickly as it is produced. Psychological differences between the genders are equally difficult to sort out since a significant portion of the evidence indicates that much of this is the result of social pressures and trends rather than inherent differences between the genders.

Regardless of the merit of the debate, a second set of factors comes into play. Generally, people are quite familar with the particular trials of their gender in a given society and as such are somewhat more likely to inherently treat the genders differently as a result. What's more, given that a significant portion of male/female interaction directly or indirectly invovles reproduction you're virtually guarnteed to see differing reactions based purely on gender.

 

[Eclectic Dreck]

edit - double post.

 

[Crystal Cuckoo]

Just as every female in a game has a wisp-like figure and gigantic boobs, every male in the same game will be buff to the point of having two slabs of concrete nailed to his chest.

Sexism works both ways. Why is that 40 year old women can go to a cinema and gawk at a seventeen year old boy and be considered (relatively) normal, but if a male goes to a film full of scantily-clad girls, he is labeled a "creep"?

 

[Meark]

This evening I was at Video Games Live in Vancouver. Over the course of the evening, two girls won prizes for winning at frogger and a doorprize. Both times it was repeatedly pointed out that they were girls and they played games. That in itself is sexism, even if the MC's were trying to point out that girls play video games too. The crowd for the evening was about a 60/40 split and while we joke that there are no girls on the net and girls can't play video games, but that too is technically sexism.

So no, I don't think we're recreating it, I just think we still have a long way to go to.