Two gay men kicked out of a pub for kissing in public

[funguy2121]

Ever been to a bar? People make out and then some. There used to be a pizza place/bar where I used to live. I went there one time to order some grub, and the top half of the door separating the side entrance/kitchen from the restroom hallway was open, as usual. A drunk little tart ran up to the door and started yelling and beating on the restroom door. A few seconds later, a man ran out of the women's room, and another woman climbed up from her knees as she followed him out, wiping *something* from her lip. Another time I passed through the parking lot of the adjacent establishment to get some Jack in The Box around midnight. A guy had a woman on the hood of a car, bent over the windshield, and was giving her head. I came back with a couple of jumbo jacks for them and was dismayed that they had left.

Point is, this is commonplace. But it's tolerated when it's a fratboy and his low-self-esteem girlfriend, and not when it's two gay people.

 

[sb666]

personally I think two men making out is disgusting, and the bar owner was right for kicking them out, but that's just my opinion

you serious or trolling. i woudnt care

 

[theultimateend]

personally I think two men making out is disgusting, and the bar owner was right for kicking them out, but that's just my opinion

At least you are honest.

I'm bothered by how you feel but the fact that you don't fake like it's something deeper is very refreshing.

 

[Serenegoose]

In the UK, if you own something, you are indeed allowed to apply rules to it as you wish.

unless

You want to make money from it. Then you're bound by anti-discrimination laws. Simply put, if you don't want gays in your pub, don't run a pub. That's your choice. Unless they were fucking on the counter, he was certainly in the wrong.

 

[game-lover]

I don't really agree or disagree with his decision. I'm not against it though.

Like I've mentioned before, I've discovered I am prudish. And I despise public displays of affection. HATRED.

Probably I could ignore it maybe. Avert my eyes. Cover my ears--because dude, regular closed mouth kisses are noisy... imagine the sound of open mouthed, eww. But I imagine a pub is kinda closed in. I might not be able to walk around much without seeing them kissing and if I kept fucking seeing it repeatedly, I might get irked enough to complain.

Also the kiss in? Just no... Overdoing it.

 

[Daveman]

From the sounds of things what they did seemed reasonable enough. I mean I despise public displays of affection of any kind as much as the next incredibly introverted loser but I wouldn't kick them out of the pub for it.

No trouble with that sort of thing here in Brighton though...

 

[Christopher Parker]

In the UK, if you own something, you are indeed allowed to apply rules to it as you wish.

unless

You want to make money from it. Then you're bound by anti-discrimination laws. Simply put, if you don't want gays in your pub, don't run a pub. That's your choice. Unless they were fucking on the counter, he was certainly in the wrong.

Depends on whether he applies the same rules to straight people. We don't know whether or not that's the case, as people have been pointing out. The couple who owned that hotel were legally in the wrong, because they didn't want gay people having sex in their establishment but had no problem with straight people having sex in said establishment. Had they decided on a blanket "no sex" policy, there would be no discrimination. For all we know, there could be a blanket "no snogging" policy in this pub. We only have one side of the story, after all.

 

[TheLastoftheLiving]

Frankly i don't think we got the full story as a public to even tackle this issue. It has likely been blow out of proportion. I don't think the real story will ever emerge so who is wrong and who is right isn't even part of the equation.

 

[joshthor]

its a bar. from what ive seen bars arent that accepting of gay culture. is anyone really suprised at this? if they wanna make out at a bar, they should go to a gay bar. or a club. i wouldnt even make out with a chick at a bar... well.. i would... but i would prefer to take her home first.

 

[Gralian]

If they were in a notorious 'gay district' like Soho (though Soho is more a place for debauchery in general, not just homosexual proclivities), one has to wonder why they walked into a patently non-gay pub / establishment for a date and to inevitably swap spit. It's not like they would be short of options. It's Soho for crying out loud, i'm sure there would be plenty of pubs or bars that would cater entirely for gay men and women and while i'm not saying homosexuals should be shepherded into segregated bars and pubs 'only' for homosexuals, one still has to wonder why you wouldn't just go to a place more geared towards your culture specifically and will be entirely accepting of what you do.

I would like to point out that we don't know the full story behind this and the reports we are getting are incredibly biased. For all we know they may have been asked to knock it off before they were asked to leave. We don't know how reliable any of the accounts are and we don't really have a statement from the bartender or any witnesses.

I'd also like to point out that this is a pub, not a bar. They are different. Pubs tend to have stricter rules than bars and you don't really go there cruising for sex and to make out. Pubs are more of a public social environment, rather than an initmate one. Hence the full name for it, "public house".

 

[OneOfTheMichael's]

I bet they were really drunk and did it as a bet... or they were actually gay...

 

[nothinghere]

personally I think two men making out is disgusting, and the bar owner was right for kicking them out, but that's just my opinion

trolltrolltroll

But yeah, it's the same stupid homophobia that's everywhere. It's not going to let up for a while, all we need is to get the Landovers and Westboros out of the way and we should be good to go.

Thats the first time I heard anyone speak of Land over baptist on this site... I was starting to think that only I knew about them

 

[Serenegoose]

In the UK, if you own something, you are indeed allowed to apply rules to it as you wish.

unless

You want to make money from it. Then you're bound by anti-discrimination laws. Simply put, if you don't want gays in your pub, don't run a pub. That's your choice. Unless they were fucking on the counter, he was certainly in the wrong.

Depends on whether he applies the same rules to straight people. We don't know whether or not that's the case, as people have been pointing out. The couple who owned that hotel were legally in the wrong, because they didn't want gay people having sex in their establishment but had no problem with straight people having sex in said establishment. Had they decided on a blanket "no sex" policy, there would be no discrimination. For all we know, there could be a blanket "no snogging" policy in this pub. We only have one side of the story, after all.

I would consider it an exceptionally unlikely scenario. I've never heard of a pub with a 'no kissing' rule. Not all scenarios are equally likely.

 

[WolfEdge]

It's the same thing, you wouldn't kick a guy out of a bar for kissing his girlfriend would you?

Unless this bar also has a strict no heterosexual kissing rule which is enforced, then kicking out two guys for it is plain discrimination.
Also im sure if it were 2 hot lesbians they wouldnt have got kicked out

Just assuming homophobic/anti gay men behavior is stupid. Maybe people were complaining because they didn't like watching people make out in front of them? Maybe they were asked to stop like any other kissing couple?
Since you can just assume that they are anti gay men, I'll assume that these men were being completely obscene, selfish pricks, in which case they deserved to get kicked out.

And, even if it WAS discrimination of the worst sort, it's still up to the sole discretion of the owner to kick them out, as devious as his intent may or may not have been. Property rights and all that.

Shit, I could be kicked out of an establishment for having blue eyes, and I'd have to just deal with it.

 

[Bebus]

They were not kicked out for kissing.

They were kicked out for ignoring a polite request made by the landlord. He saw them kissing, and asked them to stop, as he (says, but let's go with it) would for any other couple. They continued, so he kicked them out.

I have absolutely no problem with gay men kissing in public. But they deliberately antagonised the person running the business so he evicted them, as he would any rowdy drunk who ignored a request to calm down. Quite rightly too, in my books.

 

[ace_of_something]

Thats what the "We reserve the right to refuse service for any reason" sign is for.
Besides, for all we know they were being obscene but hey, they are a minority so we are just supposed to excuse them huh? Were it a hetero couple that got kicked out everyone would just say "meh, they probably were being obscene" and would not have made such a big deal about it. But because its a gay couple everyone just blames the owner.
And the whole gay kissing protest thing is just fucking tacky.
Don't like the business? Do not give it your money.

Exactly this. It's privately owned. He can be a bigoted butthead if he wants. Or maybe, just maybe, there WAS a good reason maybe they were making out hardcore in which case a lot of bars will kick you out no matter what both participants posses below the belt.

 

[Littlee300]

It's the same thing, you wouldn't kick a guy out of a bar for kissing his girlfriend would you?

Not really. It is like making a really loud screeching noise and a quiet buzzing noise. One annoys people way more even though they are just sounds.

 

[OutforEC]

I realize this particular incident was in the UK, but I find it mildly amusing that there are people rallying in defense of owners' rights to regulate their own clientelle on personally-owned property as they sees fit. Where was all the outcry when governments started telling bar owners they couldn't let people smoke in their personally-owned property?

 

[CarlMin]

We still can't be sure the owner is discriminating against homosexuals. For all we know he might try to kick out straight couples kissing as well. Many restaurants and pubs have certain policies when it comes to kissing and making-out.

I'm just saying we shouldn't jump to conclusions here.