What bands do YOU think are overrated? (Don't flame, just state your awnser and move along)

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Sir Prize

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Avenged Sevenfold, their good but I've heard better.
Linkin Park, never understood why so many people like them and...after hearing them playing on TV and alike nearly every day, it gets a bit much.
Muse...yea their decent enough but just overly hyped.
 

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Kefkacultist said:
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Red Hot Chili Peppers
Explain? I'm interested.
OT: Slipknot.
Ok, they're not as overrated as others and it may just be where I go to school at, but people who have horrible taste in music always talk about Stadium Arcadium being an amazing CD and turning them into RHCP fans even though they've never heard good songs like Scar Tissue or Can't Stop. Also everyone says Flea is a godly bassist, but Steve Harris and Cliff Burton were WAY better.
I am going to have to agree with him, and this is coming from a guy who LOOOVES RHCP. I get tired of seeing people saying they love them and only have listened to 3 songs from stadium Arcadium, and don't realize that Fruscinate wasn't always their guitarist, and that Slovak and Navarro were also great guitarists during their run with RHCP.

And I take your Steve Harris and Cliff Burton and raise you a Les Claypool, Nick Oliveri, and Eric Avery! (Bass wise, not overrated wise).
 

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Trying to go with one that hasn't been said over and over (AC/DC, Metallica, etc. which i totally agree with)

The Killers. His voice just grates on me.
 

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There is a major problem today IMO in that the free flow of information and opinion instigated by the internet has massively disrupted our cultural landmarks, in all art forms. Prior to mass internet usage the source of critical power lay with publications mainly, and on word of mouth second. It was more difficult to create a pop/rock phenomenon by manipulating these narrow channels of influence, but it made for a longer lasting trends by keeping the range of voices narrow.

Today however, publications (in paper form at least) are declining owing to the pressures of a net savvy society and word of mouth has expanded to become a greater player in shaping our tastes. And whilst, as people here consistently point out, MTV is still around I believe that MTV and music television are essentially defunct by providing music content that doesn't go beyond reinforcement of existing trends that were created elsewhere.

Simultaneously, and understandably, with the democratisation of the internet comes the idea that everyone's largely anonymous and impersonal opinion is valid and ought to be regarded as informed, no matter the case. Whilst this is obviously a gross generalisation it seems to me to ring true when examining a forum situation and our reactions to a setting where responses move fast and our post might be outdated or unrelated by the time we finish writing it. We begin to trust certain other net users not on the basis of open settings like a forum, but more likely through personal conversation about, and here I get back on topic, things like music.

The problem is that, beyond small scale interaction via PM's or IM's there is little chance of taking someone's opinions seriously and respecting them when encountered in a forum environment. In the swirling mass of even a small message board will be hundreds (or thousands) of people whose responses we cannot begin to predict and whose outlook might be wildly different from our own.

With the demolition of physical media and traditional preference shaping tools, the public appears to be losing sight of context and developmental cycles. The majority of bands on this thread fall into two camps: New, heavily promoted and internet savvy bands and labels (e.g. linkin park, disturbed to name two heavily cited examples); and Older 'classic rock' canon bands whose entrance into modern listeners conscience stems from parents/older relatives and certain expectations ingrained into our culture ("You like ----? So you must like xxxx").

On the subject of newer bands I'd say its pretty obvious that once a band gets to a certain stage there will always be proponents and dissenters (Fanbois and Haters, if you will). Old bands on the other hand have a built in fan base that is not as fluid as today's bands. Instead, dissent usually stems from new listeners to old bands who are ignorant of the band's historical and contemporary influence on music, they (understandably) judge it against the same standards as today (hence the earlier post comparing Metallica to Dragonforce for 'shredding', even though there are wildly different components making up the music they both put out) and piss off fans who have mythologised these bands so much.

Basically, what I'm trying to articulate, is that the inherent freedoms of the internet make for a totally different environment to discuss music and art even, compared to even 20 years ago. Because really where is there a consequence-free and anonymity guaranteed forum for thought (read: 'flame wars')? der net of course
 

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I personally believe that Metalica is hugely overrated, and it seems I'm not the only one with that opinion.
This this this this this this this. Metallica aren't gods! Stop saying they are!
 

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Pretty much everything from the 1960s and earlier. Classic rock has this cannon of music that you have to love, or the common perception is that you're a Godless heathen or whatever. I can respect the innovation, but I'm not mental about the music either.

Seriously though, a ton of original rock 'n' roll bands were horrible thieves who essentially stole music from earlier, usually lesser-known black jazz and folk musicians. That part of history always seems a bit fudged out.
 

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Led Zeppelin

Done.
I was going to say this, but the way Led Zeppelin's music was written was almost in the style of orchestral pieces. It was less of a band and more like a chamber group with rock instruments, if you take my meaning.
LOL. Actually, you've got the wrong band. That quote is taken almost word for word from an article about Boston. There was nothing like a chamber group about Led Zeppelin, in fact, their music was never very tight at all.

Here's my list:
The Beatles
The Rolling Stones
Led Zeppelin
Tool
Cake
A Perfect Circle
Metallica
AC/DC
Coldplay
U2
Nickelback
Seether
Crutch
Third Eye Blind
Kings of Leon
Animal Collective
Nirvana
Tokyo Ska Paradise Orchestra

I think that about covers it for now. I'm sure there a bunch I forgot.
I didn't quote anybody.

I've listened to Led Zeppelin for years--I know classical music and I play it often. Zeppelin took the organization and concepts of classical music playing and put it into effect with rock. And it worked beautifully.

Or at least that's what I believe. When I listen to music, I listen to the individual instruments. I listen to the coordination of it all, how well it's put together, how well it sounds together. I play in chamber groups--what's sad is the majority of them can't match the way Zeppelin plays together. On top of that, the music isn't written in the style of modern rock music. It's much more complex. It's more diverse, it's more complicated. It's the reason why I get bored of rock music easily when playing it. It's too damn easy in most cases, or if not that, it's overly repetitive. Music like Zeppelin's is, I think, one of the few groups to nail down a perfect marriage between rock's mass appeal and free spiritedness and conventional music's organization and complexity.
Really? That's weird, because that's almost an exact quote from an article I read about Boston.

I don't get much of a chance to play in chamber groups, because I play sax and piano. I've also never been interested enough in Zeppelin to listen to them closely, I'll admit
I formulate my own opinions, I don't steal others.

I'm trying to work a harpist into our group currently. Pain in the ass finding music for her, but it sounds lovely, and she's quite the looker amongst our pug-ugly bunch.

Anyway, if you're a fan of music that's multi-faceted and just all around complicated, Zeppelin tunes are some of the best.

Achilles Last Stand, The Battle of Evermore and No Quarter are a few good ones to get started on if you want to really get into them. The music is very emotional and very deep. It's great music to listen to when you want to think about something, as it almost forces you to think about the song's meaning and how it can relate to your own life.
Thanks, I'll definitely go take a listen to those songs. Who knows, I might like them more than Stairway to Heaven...
 

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chewbacca1010 said:
Pretty much everything from the 1960s and earlier. Classic rock has this cannon of music that you have to love, or the common perception is that you're a Godless heathen or whatever. I can respect the innovation, but I'm not mental about the music either.

Seriously though, a ton of original rock 'n' roll bands were horrible thieves who essentially stole music from earlier, usually lesser-known black jazz and folk musicians. That part of history always seems a bit fudged out.
I have to agree with this.
 

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Judgement101 said:
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It's what the title says, what bands do you think are overrated? To me I would say System of a Down and Avenged Sevenfold, don't get me wrong, they aren't bad, just overrated. People play their songs to much and idolize them for their songs which follow a very similar set up every time.

While I agree with what you've said about Avenged Sevenfold, I'd like some examples of the System tracks that are similar.
System is just REALLY over played. The set up comment was more about Avanged Sevenfold.
Ah I get ya, and I've gotta agree, though I think its a shame that they never show the videos for Sugar or Spiders which are two of my favourite songs by them. Then again that's just over here, not sure what its like on your music channels.
 

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gibboss28 said:
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Judgement101 said:
It's what the title says, what bands do you think are overrated? To me I would say System of a Down and Avenged Sevenfold, don't get me wrong, they aren't bad, just overrated. People play their songs to much and idolize them for their songs which follow a very similar set up every time.

While I agree with what you've said about Avenged Sevenfold, I'd like some examples of the System tracks that are similar.
System is just REALLY over played. The set up comment was more about Avanged Sevenfold.
Ah I get ya, and I've gotta agree, though I think its a shame that they never show the videos for Sugar or Spiders which are two of my favourite songs by them. Then again that's just over here, not sure what its like on your music channels.
What I found odd is that you agreed with me about Avenged Sevenfold, a lot of people disagree with me about that.
 

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The Beatles. Their songs just rant that great IMO.

Nickleback. Not a bad band. Its great to see a band from the same province as me (Alberta) succeed. But there by no means the beat band of the decade (they were revealed to be the highest selling bad of the decade (not artist, group, they were like 6th overall))

New Eminem. I liked his old stuff. Songs like Stan, Lose Yourself and Till I Collapse are the only rap songs I can listen to. So when Relapse came out I was excited. And it was ok. Several songs were leaning towards a less... Dark/interesting way, and more towards radio friendly. He still had songs that were dark/crazy/evil/whatever you wanna call them. Then Recovery came out and it's just... Disapointing. Its great that he got over his addictions and that, but those things where what made gemlike him. I liked his fuck you I'm crazy attitude. Now he's a recovering addict. That's cool and all. But that's not what I want from this music.

Michael Jackson. He had som catchy songs and that. And I can get past the skin and personal issues. But from what I've seen. He lip-synched most of his performances. I cooed be wrong. But that's what I see. I classify him an entertainer. Not a musician.

Country music. I live in Alberta (pretty much the Texas of Canada) so it's everywhere. I'm a rock fan. Everyone here is either country, rap/techno/pop/club music, or Metal-Heads (I like some metal, but they're all the kinds that think that Metal is lightyears above everything else. And to like Nying law makes you a pussy).
 

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Metal in general (mostly overrated on these metal-centric forums). It just combines a few things I generally hate out of my music, machismo (tough guys actin' real tough), and while women DO get involved in the bands, they tend to fall into the whole "girls need to act like one of the boys" thing. Bloated and needlessly complex music (which to me is the symptom of the bigger problem, which is this whole idea that complexity=good) with too much distortion. No real groove to the music. No real pop sensibilities to speak of. Just turns me off from every single direction.
 

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MirrorSweep said:
Led Zeppelin
Pink Floyd
The rolling stones

White noise, that's all it is.
No, this is white noise:
OnT: I would go so far as to say that rock music as a genre is overrated. And with that: just about every rock band in existence. Simply because people worship these rock musicians as if they were gods. Most of them are proficient musicians, I can acknowledge that. But they're not any geniuses. No, not even Frank Zappa or John Lennon or Paul McCartney. Ok, maybe Frank Zappa was. But he was an exception. Anyway, that's not the point.

The point is that many rock musicians are treated as geniuses and gods when in reality they aren't. Some are simply very creative human beings. Some are not so creative and just rip of others ideas. Most are just in it for the money and fame. Now, don't tell me bands like Kiss or AC/DC or Led Zeppelin or Rolling Stones or whatever were out there with a real artistic agenda. They were just out to sell the myth about the rock lifestyle, you know. Sex, drugs and rock 'n' roll. I'll admit there are exceptions but that is, again, beside the point.

One more thing: the music in itself is really not that sophisticated, which is fine for all you Neanderthals out there, I guess. But I need something more satisfying for both my mind and soul because I do think rock music can tear at your soul, in some ways. Find something more peaceful and "healthy". That's my advice to you all.

Yep, that's all folks. Sorry if it got a little preachy. Not my intention really, just happened to be that way.