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Vault101

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who says they wont make anotehr one? eventually?

you dont jsut stop because you finish with IP's (and lets face it I doubt Mass effect is far from finished)

also...seriously...

whats everyone problem? ok aside from their relationship with EA and dragon age 2

ME3 was fine aside from the ending..
 

Rooster Cogburn

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Vault101 said:
ME3 was fine aside from the ending..
Lots of people say this, but for me that's pretty damning in a series like Mass Effect where the story and dialog is the main appeal. If someone told me a book was great until the ending made them hurl, I wouldn't think that was a very good review of the book.
 

Vault101

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Lagao said:
Sorry, but, Bioware is fucking awesome. Yeah, I am a fanboy, but thats because I can enjoy a game before bitching about it.
hey "fanboy high five*

but seriously, it really does baffle me how bioware gets so much love/hate at the same time..its like putting a chemical in the water that makes everyone go insane, Ive never seen it with any other dev...seriously
 

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Lagao said:
Mass Effect 3 was also fine, stop your bitching about the ending and admit it. The game was fucking perfect all the way through. They're also adding in events every weekend for multiplayer.
I respectfully disagree. This, on the other hand:
http://www.shamusyoung.com/twentysidedtale/?p=15395&cpage=3
is something I agree with. But this list doesn't even start touching all the problems the franchise has had since the second game (incidentally, when EA took over).

I want to make something clear: I really liked Mass Effect 3. Even leaving aside its glaring faults it was a fun game and it had some very good storylines and fantastic character development (in anything absolutely not pertinent to the main plot). But to call it "perfect" is more than a stretch.

Lagao said:
Bioware made these games, not you, you are NOT entitled to ANYTHING. It's their choice, and honestly they're doing well from it.
I respectfully disagree yet again. We pay for their games. We're definitely entitled to a quality product. The only reason they are in bussiness is because we allow them by purchasing the games they release. Like every successful company/people/bussiness, they owe themselves to their consumer base. To even pretend we don't deserve to be treated respectfully is nothing short of evil.
 

Vault101

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Rooster Cogburn said:
Vault101 said:
ME3 was fine aside from the ending..
Lots of people say this, but for me that's pretty damning in a series like Mass Effect where the story and dialog is the main appeal. If someone told me a book was great until the ending made them hurl, I wouldn't think that was a very good review of the book.
I do agree in a way, hearing "the ending is bad" is very off putting, and the actual ending...yeah

it was espeically if you were emotionaly involved (which I Imagine alot of us were)

how much it taints the rest of the series depends...it doesnt undo all the fun I had throughout ME3 but it leaves me feeling dissapointed

but I have gottten over it, and I dont like ME overall any less
 

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It's not about whether or not Bioware can release a new IP; it's about whether or not people will buy it.

They've burned through a lot of gamer goodwill with this whole Mass Effect 3 thing. Whether or not you agree with detractors, Bioware and EA have received a lot of bad press over the issue. It's not a "small minority of entitled gamers" like people keep parroting; a pretty big chunk of Bioware's fanbase was unsatisfied with their latest work.

Do we really need another Jade Empire game? The first one was completely self-contained and any sequel would seem clumsily tacked on.

Is anyone really excited for Dragon Age 3? The best I hear, people are saying that they're "hopeful" or "optimistic"

Does anyone want to play another Mass Effect game after Space-Magic-Godchild-Amateur-Story Hour?

The only way Bioware survives is a new property and given Bioware's current creative team, I'm not looking forward to whatever they come up with
 

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PrinceOfShapeir said:
I think at this point, the only thing Bioware has left to offer is Casey Hudson's head on a pike.
My reply to the thread was going to be this: "Casey Hudson's head on a pike." You're a damned fine ninja, my good man, and a mind-reader to boot.
 

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Well they could have made the second episode of that Sonic the Hedgehog Dark Brotherhood RPG before EA acquired them...
[small]which actually had decent combat and was really cool and fun...[/small]
 

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Bioware has a lot to offer, but the common view shared by a fraction (not saying its small but likewise not all-encompassing) of the fans is not indicative of the imminent fall of Bioware.
They're a company that for all purposes makes good games (see: sales) and has built a fan base. Sure not all fans are happy with certain directions the company has taken but all in all the games they produce are still pretty damn good despite the dissent.
And I can't understand how TOR is a lackluster MMO, considering it has a significant subscription/fan/player base, even though it has yet to unseat Blizzard as king of the MMO crowd. Still you can see the influence TOR has on future/current MMO's, and I can see correlation TOR and some updates in Mists of Panderia.
All in all, I do not predict doom for Bioware anytime soon.
I've noticed there's quite a lot of negativity towards Bioware but no real constructive criticism. Well I'll take that back slightly. Underlying the lot of fanboy rage and mob-mentality controversy, there have been some salient points but for the most part its pure hate and nothing of real value other than a negative opinion.
I have loved Bioware for years and still am a fan of their games. Objectivity and constructive criticism goes a long way. Negativity and doom-saying and things like that do nothing good for this industry.
Again let me say that not all dissenters have raged without saying quality criticism, but a vast majority of the fan-rage is just that... fecal-osophy. Shit talking without anything of substance behind it.
Want change in the way things are done? There are a few good ways to do so:

1. When voicing your opinion and feelings, make sure your criticism isn't just hate. If you want something changed, add ideas and where/why you felt things went wrong and what you might think could have been done better. People respond better to constructive criticism than just outright negativity.

2. Do it yourself. If you feel the industry doesn't quite get the point, then perhaps you should make it your mission to do something about it. Not this "Retake Mass Effect" thing, sorry but no one has the right to push a dev around simply because you didn't like the ending of one of their games. Instead go develop a game that involves those things you feel are missed in other games. This is a point I try to make clear, you can talk big about how you "would have done it" but in the end, if you can't do it yourself you are hardly an expert in the field and your opinion, while valid only because its yours, carries little weight since you can not do better yourself. Like the guy who rages at their favorite sports team but has never played or coached a sport in his life, who says "they shoulda did..." In reality having no real knowledge or experience in said sport invalidates his opinion on what they "shoulda did". Sorry.

3. Chalk it up to life. Things don't always turn out the way you want, and no matter what you do it won't change because you want it to. Accept that there are things you cannot change. It takes courage to know the difference of what you can and cannot do.

4. Feedback without threatening boycotts. For the most part a company isn't going to give a rats ass if you won't buy their next game because you didn't like something they did previously. If you want change, give them feedback and don't give them an ultimatum. I guarantee those things (lawsuits included) just harden the hearts of devs/publishers towards consumers. I wouldn't want to listen to someone basically threatening me with a loss of business because I didn't make a game perfect enough for them. Especially if they are trying to make trouble for me, or ***** me out but don't actually have something to really say other than how much they hated it. I honestly think the more people do this the more Pubs/Dev's dig in their heels and say to themselves "What assholes we have for customers".

All in all... Bioware isn't dead or dying. So don't start divvying up their assets just yet. I think they have some interesting things coming our wayy.
 

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Iron Criterion said:
craftomega said:
Jarek Mace said:
Exactly, they're going to die. EA are making sure of that.
Going to die?

Mass effect series - dead

Dragon age series - dead (because DA2 was a such a piece of crap)

SW:tor - will be dead in under a year


Bioware has utterly lost its reputation people who are still buying there games are either blind fan boys, or people who dont care about the quility of video games.
Shut up maybe?

They could bring back Jade Empire, make a new single player KOTOR, or a completely new IP (their games have a style adaptable to a lot of settings). They are also making Dragon Age 3.
Not my problem that you can?t take the truth and decide to be immature by telling someone to shut up on the internet lol k bye.
 

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Ethan Isaacs said:
craftomega said:
Jarek Mace said:
Exactly, they're going to die. EA are making sure of that.
Going to die?

Mass effect series - dead

Dragon age series - dead (because DA2 was a such a piece of crap)

SW:tor - will be dead in under a year


Bioware has utterly lost its reputation people who are still buying there games are either blind fan boys, or people who dont care about the quility of video games.
Ah, love your choices. Either someone who disagrees with you does not want your "idea" of quality games or are screaming fans who are devout. Real good. a third a option people who whine and cry about the game but ends up buying it and says I only bought it to tell everyone it sucks. So please i am preety sure there are more than thre categories of people who buy there games.
Yup there are only those two options because everything EA touches turns to crap in the end. Anyone with a single brain cell can see that.
 

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Pearwood said:
Jade Empire.
+1 for this, Bioware should have made a sequal to Jade Empire if they wanted to release a fantasy action RPG instead of Dragon Age II. They could have kept the Dragon Age series old school, in many ways Jade Empire is a lot like DA II but better because of the direct controls etc.
 

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Thoric485 said:
A third Dragon Age simply can't be profitable enough for EA to bother producing,
Yeah, 1.3 million sold during its 10 week run, 400,000 of that being pre-orders.

I guess what I'm saying is, proof or GTFO.
 

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J Tyran said:
Pearwood said:
Jade Empire.
+1 for this, Bioware should have made a sequal to Jade Empire if they wanted to release a fantasy action RPG instead of Dragon Age II. They could have kept the Dragon Age series old school, in many ways Jade Empire is a lot like DA II but better because of the direct controls etc.
I just want to say this. Speaking as someone who HAS played old school games, including Baldur's Gate, I can safely say the old game-play mechanics for RPGs can go jump into a Tarrasque's gaping maw. The day the old ways went out of style was a happy one for me.
 

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Didn't they deliver Baldurs Gate and Neverwinter nights? RPGs, yes but not seen any news about a new release. Think I heard a rumor about NWN3 but that was it.
 

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craftomega said:
Jarek Mace said:
Exactly, they're going to die. EA are making sure of that.
Going to die?

Mass effect series - dead

Dragon age series - dead (because DA2 was a such a piece of crap)

SW:tor - will be dead in under a year


Bioware has utterly lost its reputation people who are still buying there games are either blind fan boys, or people who dont care about the quility of video games.
Call me a fanboy if you really want, but I think you're underestimating these franchises.

Considering I've hated ME since 2 and disliked DAO so much I didn't finish it, I don't think I'm particularly on Bioware's side right now.
 

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Metalix Knightmare said:
J Tyran said:
Pearwood said:
Jade Empire.
+1 for this, Bioware should have made a sequal to Jade Empire if they wanted to release a fantasy action RPG instead of Dragon Age II. They could have kept the Dragon Age series old school, in many ways Jade Empire is a lot like DA II but better because of the direct controls etc.
I just want to say this. Speaking as someone who HAS played old school games, including Baldur's Gate, I can safely say the old game-play mechanics for RPGs can go jump into a Tarrasque's gaping maw. The day the old ways went out of style was a happy one for me.
It would suck if every RPG went old school but Dragon Age: Origins was nostalgic. Old School mechanics with modern(ish) graphics and a classic storyline.

Keeping the DA series like that would have been great, one or two old school games would give the genre a bit more choice. Updated action RPG games could have used old IPs like Jade Empire or used new ones.