Why is Male gayness "worse" than Female Gayness

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That's a male perspective. I've known women who were very uncomfortable around lesbians, yet had no issue with gay men. I don't think its a complete reverse as I'm sure the majority of women don't find the idea of male-male sex arousing.
 

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nima55 said:
As a Lesbian myself, I hold no ill will towards gay people, but recently I've been noticing that in most media, It is more acceptable for a woman to be gay that it is for a man. For example the possible relationship in Mass Effect (No I love those games. I'm not criticizing them). Can anyone think of a reason this might be =/ ? knowing myself this is probably something that everyone noticed ages ago lol.
It's because males are more notoriously open sexually, so the dominant opinion is 'lets see naked girls'. Personally I prefer male homosexuals, don't take any offense to this, the main reason is that I don't need another reason to fail when asking a girl out, and it's nice if a guy checks you out every once in a while. (in my opinion at least)

It's sad that the answer isn't more sophisticated than that, but that's how I feel it is.
 

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Agayek said:
It's not entirely baseless, actually. I will readily admit there's nothing in the way of direct evidence. There's at least a few primate societies that both contain homosexual animals and will act as I described, presumably for the reasons I described.

In addition, there is recorded evidence of a number of "primitive" human tribes behaving as such as well. I doubt I'll be able to find the article I read about it, so believe it or not, I don't particularly care, but that's what I based my statements on.
Mostly baseless, then? I can't Google "homosexuality shunning" and not get results on humans without at least a genera or species name.

I also don't particularly trust anything that calls modern tribes "primitive", and I've never read anything to suggest complete cultural homogeny among pre-historic humans.
 

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Nibbles said:
The answer is simple, my fellow lesbian: all that which is associated with being female is undervalued and oppressed in our society (based off of Greek and Roman). A gay man has for thousands of years been associated with the undesirable feminine. In the past, the passive male was feminized and seen as dishonored whereas the active male role had no stigma. So the hatred for gay men is the hatred for men becoming less than men by becoming women.

Lesbians have it that no one actually considers us legit, so it is okay for us to fool around.

Yeah ><
Basically this.

I'll argue that a similar kind of thing happens in perceptions of lesbianism, though. Take the stereotypical femme/butch dynamic. Society doesn't really have a problem with "femme" lesbians, but "butch" lesbians do have a certain kind of stigma attached to them. You'll certainly never see two butch lesbians jello wrestling in a movie.
 

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Dags90 said:
Mostly baseless, then? I can't Google "homosexuality shunning" and not get results on humans without at least a genera or species name.

I also don't particularly trust anything that calls modern tribes "primitive", and I've never read anything to suggest complete cultural homogeny among pre-historic humans.
That's why I used the quotation marks. It's less about them being "primitive" and more isolated from outside influences and/or relatively young, it's just generally easier to convey the concept through the use of the word primitive. Most people immediately associate "primitives" with the tribes of the South/Central American jungles and the like, so it makes the explanation easier.

And there's almost certainly no homogeny among pre-historic humans, I'm not trying to suggest that. What I'm trying to get at is only that there is likely a root cause of the aversion to male homosexuality in our society. Said cause has a number of contributing factors, the vast majority of which were socially engrained by a number of different parties throughout the course of history, but it is not an unreasonable assumption to extrapolate from what data we do have and apply it to early man.

If my conclusions are proven wrong, great I'll have to get to work formulating new ones. I haven't seen anything that would contradict them though.
 

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Eh, my hetero male friends just dont find two men kissing to be beautiful. I dont mind really.
 

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Because... it's not? At least I don't think so. Other people think so because they are weirded out by people who are different then they are.
 

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Agayek said:
And there's almost certainly no homogeny among pre-historic humans, I'm not trying to suggest that. What I'm trying to get at is only that there is likely a root cause of the aversion to male homosexuality in our society. Said cause has a number of contributing factors, the vast majority of which were socially engrained by a number of different parties throughout the course of history, but it is not an unreasonable assumption to extrapolate from what data we do have and apply it to early man.
Why way prehistory so heavily? We know the ancient Athenians were mostly fine with homosexuality, though not anal sex, and had a large influence on the Western tradition. The Romans were pretty much permissive of anything the aristocracy did sexually, though consulting with your wife on political matters was considered scandalous. Even if we take it as granted that it once existed, we've past this hurdle in some capacity before. Why should we assume that it's because of prior social behaviors and not simply new ones?
 

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Alot of this stems back to traditional Christian and Jewish beliefs. In old testament a man called Onan is killed by God for "spilling his seed" and this why they often consider masturbation a sin.

Male homosexuality is often considered by groups such as Roman Cathloics to be the spilling of a man's seed just like masturbation or using contraception and is thus wrong(This is because they believe sex only exists for the purpose of reproduction; they feel that it shouldn't be for pleasure).

Woman have no seed to spill as it were and so people weren't to bothered about though they could still be considered sinners but it wasn't considered anywhere near as bad.
 

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Alexander Sverchkov said:
Because men are made to be manly not wussies ,and it just doesn't work out.Plus it's really disgusting.Another problem is that males have penises and that makes it even more disturbing.
I take it that you don't actually know any gay people and are just saying these things because you have preconceived notions of what is and isn't appropriate for men. Well, you're entitled to your opinions and all, but a real man doesn't look down upon others for being different than he is. To do so isn't manly and makes one less worthy of being called such.

So, y'know. YMMV.
 

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Psychotic-ishSOB said:
SwimmingRock said:
Because a lot of media panders to straight males and they think lesbians are hot while gay men are gross and possibly intimidating. Maybe I'm oversimplifying it, but that strikes me as the obvious answer.
This.
Plus, you can make money off hot girls slutting it up with each other for money.
Also, why do girls get drunk and make out with other girls, even if they're straight?f
because they're attention whores. Though it does strike me lots of people will have quoted you an answer already, but hey.
 

Charli

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Because media is under the control of sexually insecure men. Duh.

Neither bother me really. Like any straight man looking at 2 hot girls, I will appreciate 2 hot guys anyday but that's just chalked up to personal preference.
 

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Bara_no_Hime said:
Psychotic-ishSOB said:
Also, why do girls get drunk and make out with other girls, even if they're straight?f
Because bisexuality is a lot more common than people think. Same reason so many guys get bent out of shape about gays - because, somewhere deep down in their subconsciousness, squashed by layers and layers of societal conditioning, a lot of people are bisexual.

In women, it comes out when we're drunk (also because guys like it).

In men, it comes out as homophobia.

Not always the case, but often.
really? I thourght it was just an attention seeking stunt to impress the guys?
 

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nima55 said:
As a Lesbian myself, I hold no ill will towards gay people, but recently I've been noticing that in most media, It is more acceptable for a woman to be gay that it is for a man. For example the possible relationship in Mass Effect (No I love those games. I'm not criticizing them). Can anyone think of a reason this might be =/ ? knowing myself this is probably something that everyone noticed ages ago lol.
I sure its historically based, I vaguely think that queen Victoria didn't believe that lesbians existed so she never oppressed them in anyway and neither did society, thus leaving society to accept lesbians more. I'm sure I heard it on QI (A British quiz show which corrects misconceptions and displays interesting facts and information)
 

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Danglybits said:
nima55 said:
As a Lesbian myself, I hold no ill will towards gay people, but recently I've been noticing that in most media, It is more acceptable for a woman to be gay that it is for a man. For example the possible relationship in Mass Effect (No I love those games. I'm not criticizing them). Can anyone think of a reason this might be =/ ? knowing myself this is probably something that everyone noticed ages ago lol.
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