Women and 'sensitive' men

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justhereforthemoney

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DoW Lowen said:
Women I?m sure most of you have encountered this. The guy you know, he is popular among his friends, he is masculine, probably has a bit of a bad boy streak to him and he rarely seems like the sensitive type. But when he is around you or a woman, he is quite the teddy bear. He is open and honest and bares his soul to you. How endearing?

Allow me to shed some light on these types. They are chauvinistic and do not think very much of you, worse off they probably are not aware of it. The god honest truth, and whether a fellow male out there will admittedly stand by me or not ? it?s true.

Men are egocentric, power hungry and seek to be dominant.

Any male who does not exhibit these behaviours in some form or manner is not male, I do not speak in the biological sense, rather from a framework which see?s gender and it?s social expectations and sexual anatomy as separate. To be those qualities is to be a man ? and this is from an evolutionary stand point. Women find door mats to be very unattractive as they could never provide the security and comfort a woman needs. Women like men they can rely on, and the alpha male who is confident, strong and never afraid to be assertive is much more of a viable dating option than the ?nice guy?.

Nice guys finish last. It?s survival of the fittest. Between the brute and the gentlemen, the brute will have a higher chance of surviving and procreating.

But enough about this, I?m sure any woman with some wisdom or experience is well aware of this. As for younger girls, if you?re wondering why you might be attracted to the bad boys, this is why. But this little segment was for my fellow male escapees. I?ve seen my fair share of relationship posts, you guys are really nice even if you can be a bunch of smartasses, but I?m will to wager that for many of you ? you have wondered why even though you?re a nice guy and you?d treat the girl with love and respect she deserves, why does she only consider you a friend and continue to date guys who are VERY unlike you. Just consider what I just said.

Back on topic now with the bad boy with a sensitive soul.

I may just be generalizing and you may probably scream at me saying ?but the guy I know is nothing like you say?. Well you may just be the exception to the rule; either that or you?re just not looking close enough.

The male species are great performers, I mean theatrically not in the dirty sense. They can put up a façade and keep up appearances so well they can fool themselves. They sometimes have a soft smile and a sensitive look that only women can tune into and find. Males will generally not delve into soulful and heart to heart conversations with their fellow males. A lot of them will ? but I?ll get into that later. But with a woman they will open up like a Christmas present, and you women will find this adorable.

The truth is men never want to appear weak in front of other men, including their friends. Which is why men are generally ?rough? with each other. In competitions they will have no inhibitions about crushing their best buddy in the ranking ladder. They?ll never admit it, but almost all well adjusted men think that they are slightly superior to their male friends in some aspect.

But why is it with a woman that they are not afraid to vulnerable. Why is it that when other people will call a man shallow assholes, there is some woman out there other than their mother who will defend them claiming they are ?complicated, misunderstood, more than meets the eye?? It?s simple really, those women can see the vulnerable side the men consciously or unconsciously chooses to show them. Everything I stated leads up to the next statement ?

A lot of men don?t value a woman?s opinion, which is why they are not generally afraid to show them weakness.

Men think that all women are suppose to have a nurturing soft soggy heart, and men will have little reservation vomiting all their thoughts and feelings into them. The same thoughts and feelings they refuse to share with their friends. Because once their friends know, that?s it ? the power politics has shifted in their favour. Men think they have to be stoic which is why their brethren can never know. However if a female is aware of the feelings, the male will seriously not care if that woman?s perception of him changes. Because in all honesty, it?s probably changed for the better. Men think all women are sympathetic, and women think the same thing. Women actually are a lot more sympathetic and nurturing than men. But men believe that means that women will feel affection and pity for almost anything.

All the men reading this, honestly think back when you told a woman something you would never tell your buddies. If her perception of you changed, would you care? If she thought less of you, than you?d probably try to rationalize it in your mind that she is just a ***** and you should never have trusted her. But if she thought you were not as stoic, as strong, as iron willed as you appear to others, would that slow you down for a second? But if a few of your mates thought the same thing could you shrug that off? If she told you she thought you were weak, you would think something along the lines of ?like your opinion matters to me? but if you?re mates said that you?d feel more insecure.

Now for men who have the heart to heart with their buddies. That is probably a true honest moment that you?ve had. More so than compared to when you told the same thing to a woman? Think about it.

What I?m trying to show is that there are very subtle sexisms among most of us; we just may not realize it because they aren?t so clear cut as sexual harassment and oppression. So men, really think twice before you claim you treat men and women the same. Because do you really?
I found this interesting, only because of the subtle references to biology. What I mean is how little people realize they decisions and sometimes thoughts are influenced by their own "animal" being. For example men will usually be attracted to curvy females, because large breasts and wide hips was always an indicating factor that the female would have a healthy birth. I think what you were saying was how women were always attracted to the power hungry "macho" men, because long ago thats what you had to be to get power, and power then signified to women a financially secure relationship. But this has changed now with so many different types of people that there is always a great chance you don't have to be a macho man and there will still be lots of people interested in you.
 

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In general, women lust after the alpha male, but love the nice-guy.
Why? Because the nice-guy is far far more likely to look after any children that have been born, but equally, a child is far more likely to survive it they have strong genes. So, evolutionarily speaking, the best thing to do is have sex with the tough-guy but be in a relationship with the nice-guy.

This means it very much looks like nice-guys finish last around dating age, but ultimately, nice-guys are going to end up having a lot more meaningful sex than the tough-guys.
This about covers it up.
 

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Part of your analysis is common knowledge as a biological baseline. However, since the human race is slightly more civilized than relying solely on primeval urges, there are modifiers to that baseline. One key modifier is personality.

Nerd chicks will generally like nerd guys. Bimbo chicks will generally like moron guys. And vice versa.

The reason why the first example is somewhat less apparent than the second one is simply that introvert people are, you know, introvert. And therefore they aren't comfortable with walking up to a person of the opposite gender declaring their attraction to him or her.

Scientific fact; Women, due to hormones and other biochemical crap, will prefer tough guys one week per month. During the rest of the weeks, women will prefer soft guys. That's the baseline. Now add the modifiers - interests, personal history and general personality, and you've got a whole different set of numbers. What's hard about these new numbers is that they're different for each specimen of the species, which makes them hard to generalize. But it doesn't make them any less valid, only more.

Now, to counter your statement about men being egotistical assholes.
Yes and no. Again, we start with the scientific baseline.
Everyone, regardless of gender, is a selfish bastard. Noone ever does anything without personal gain being an expected result. If you give a hobo $10, then you're doing it because it makes you feel good to know you helped someone - psychological gain. By the same reasoning, anything anyone (including men) will ever do, will be completely selfish.

But here's the twist: Since everyone is equally selfish in the true sense of the word, you have to modify the meaning of it, or the expression has no purpose anymore. Selfish can then be translated into shortsighted, or materialist. A selfish person would then fail to see things like psychological gain when they decide on a course of action. This is a trait that is not synonymous with the human race, or males, because it is a destructive, counterproductive trait. Every person that's ever existed is selfish in the basic meaning of the word, but that doesn't mean everyone is shortsighted and materialist. In fact, only a small portion of the human race possess this trait, since it's harmful from an evolutionary standpoint. It alienates other people, whom you usually need in order to achieve success. Therefore most of the people who possess this trait have failed to spread their genes, since no women will want to breed with an uncooperative bastard who only tries to screw you over (in every sense of the word).

The main issue with your analysis is that you've realized that all men are selfish. So you started out good, but then you missed the point by half a yard. Women are equally selfish, first of all. And neither men nor women are as a rule selfish in the common sense of the word, but rather in the litteral sense of the word. You've assumed everyone is selfish in the common sense of the word, which throws the analysis way off.

Think about it some more, revise your conclusions, and then come back with your new thesis.
 

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DoW Lowen said:
What I?m trying to show is that there are very subtle sexisms among most of us; we just may not realize it because they aren?t so clear cut as sexual harassment and oppression. So men, really think twice before you claim you treat men and women the same. Because do you really?
Just highlighting what I responding to. I've never claimed to. I'll agree with pretty much everything in your post.

I may not be the big jock alpha male like it seems you're particularly describing. I'm a more, new breed alpha male, I play mind games and pretty much cause other people to defeat themselves or pull them into a un-winnable situation.
 

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Admittedly this is rather generalized, but stereotypes and generalization are always based in at least some degree of truth, well unless the person making the stereotype or generalization is completely off their rocker.

Frankly, I think your social studies teacher would like something a bit more centralized and a little less fluid, the topic of love is something that no school student knows enough about, because if it were a math equation it would be represented by at least 15 variables all of which have a nasty habit of changing spontaneously, even while you are still trying to do the problem. Thus making it impossible for anyone to get it absolutely right, the best that can be done is to guess and hope you are close. Well, I suppose if you are in your 30s you might know enough about it to write something ineligible, but most of them aren't in school, and to prove that even people that old tend to not know crap about it I will point to romance novels.

Just pick another subject, love is good and all (admittedly it is also rather evil in some cases) but it is too complicated a subject to merit a decent grade.

I will also say that when I initially clicked on the name of this thread I had assumed it was talking about women and dudes who have a nasty habit of overreacting to things that are said or done.
 

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Oh dear, your awful, and quite stupid. Not all women want the big bad masculine men. Some like the guy who will treat them nice, keep the romance alive, even years into the relationship. Also Jant(?) who you quoted, I think is in fact a girl. So yeah, I think she would know mate. If you wish to continue to believe what you think, then you are fooling yourself. Otherwise, it's okay we all make mistakes.

nicholaxxx said:
I actually open up to my male friends more often, generally because I let my guard down and act more like I normally do on daily basis (I act sarcasitc and the like, I'm a smartass, but I actually do have *GASP* emotions) because they have my opinoins on most of the stuff I do, and have more in common with me than my own damned brother...

anyway, I open up to my male friends more because I don't feel like I have to impress them, that's not to say that I don't open up to my female friends, it's just not as often, mainly because I'm with my two closest male friends alone more often than my female friends (not to mention, I feel more ackward around women, typical nerd >_<). I generally act more indifferent around females, my friends know that I actually do care about their lives (when they aren't just complaining for the sake of complaining) instead of just shrugging it off with the occasional 'Okay, cool' or sarcastic comment. I never really go into the realm of WAAAYYYY to personal (like doctors visits and the like) but It's never something as shallow as 'hey, I learned a new combo' It's a nice mix of soemthing like 'my aunt died' and 'man, I'm having trouble in math' or whatever.

I actually care more about the opinions of my female peers over my male peers, because I know that whatever women think that's negative about me is just another stike against me for my marketability.

If a guy says 'dude, you're gay' then it's either a joking insult or just one of the retard rednecks/gangstas using it as a euphomism for retarded or something else negative. So I can shrug it off with a smart ass comment like 'wouldn't YOU like that?'

If a girl says 'dude, you're gay' then more often than not, she'll be using it as a term for how unlikeable I am, or in the homoexual sense. So I can't shrug it off or she'll tell every other girl in the school about how much of an asshole I am for talking back to a lady or whatever, most of my come backs only work against other guys, so 'wouldn't YOU like that' would only be insinuating homosexuality on my part, not theirs. Not to mention how the collaborative work of a few females can be even more nasty than the collab. efforts of a ton a males. way more nasty, so I tend to keep most of the females opinions of me neutral/positive with not really opening up (I'm football player size, but am a complete teddy... unfortunately T_T) keppng the jokes and intelligent conversation to a maximum.

Women want someone who will defend her if neccesary, not some over masculine Marcus Fenix wannabe, the only reason why being strong was a necessity when we were all living in caves was because men had to fight for the female they wanted to make snu snu with, since we have LONG since needed that, women tend to go for the nice guy who isn't a pushover

(just to make things clear, for the OP and that one person who agrees with OP a few posts above me bad boy/tough guy and not being a pushover are NOT synonomous)

They want someone who she can trust to help her when she wants it, IE, he uncle just died and she needs comfort, she wants you to do that, comfort her, and someone who can defend her/stand up for her when she needs it, IE: some dicks are harrassing her and won't listen to her, she wants you to fucking help her! she doesn't want some guy who will be a prick and beat the shit out of anyone who looks at her funny, that's just being over assertive and gets creepy as hell.

I'm a nice guy, but not generally around women, sure I let them know that I have emotions and the like, but I don't overwhelm them with 'I'm so sad, hold me!' because that gets annoying as hell really fast and is a genreal turn off, when something makes me feel sad, I generally say 'sorry for not talking much/ paying much attention, I'm just kind of sad/depressed lately'.
If I'm happy, I generally act the part.

I only really open up when there aren't women around, because I find the judgement of women to be WAAAY more critical than men IE: a dude calls you a dick, he's just joking, a girl calls you a dick, you probably were being an asshole.

Just to sum up:
-women like people who can defend them if needed, but isn't a macho hardcase
-women like men who show them emotion and open up enough
-men open up to their male friends because then they can let their guard down more/trust the men more
-A huge ego will only make women think less of you
-men who open up to women do so because they trust said women, and their opinion matters to them or else they wouldn't do it, IE: NO guy in their right mind would go up to some random girl and start opening up
- If someone is a sexist for sharing emotions, then I guess we're all sexist at one point then, huh?
- most married couples share emotions with each other, quite willingly in fact, I guess neither of them care what the other thinks, huh?
-You're wrong
Just to sum up, people are different people like other things, while you may be on my side that he is wrong, people are different, in good ways and bad. If you think girls all love the same thing. Your as sexist as the guys who think of women as toys. So are the ones who talk for them, a bit like I am. But girls being the minority on this forum I think I have an excuse. You may be well meaning, but don't stereotype entire genders. It's bad enough with countries. and a few more things: I open up to women more, in my short stay here I have in personal experience found better friends with females this isn't because they are female it's coincidence. the last 3 points I do agree with though

P.S: Love is a massive deal to me, and the way some of you seem to brush it away so lightly as though they actually don't care what they actually think sickens me.
 

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DoW Lowen said:
Any male who does not exhibit these behaviours in some form or manner is not male, I do not speak in the biological sense, rather from a framework which see?s gender and it?s social expectations and sexual anatomy as separate. To be those qualities is to be a man ? and this is from an evolutionary stand point.
Oh my, now screw my manners. Fuck you, if you truly believe that you are in fact retarded. I class a man as a man when he understands love, not the teenagery crap. But real true beautiful love.

P.S: Sorry mods, he really deserved that... In fact I restrained myself from doing much worse.

Sorry for double post I thought the thread was moving faster than that.
 

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nicholaxxx said:
Just to sum up:
-women like people who can defend them if needed, but isn't a macho hardcase
Same way as women like other women really... You want your friends to stick up for you.

nicholaxxx said:
-women like men who show them emotion and open up enough
Yeah... You can all prattle all day about how you don't show emotion but normal people show a normal level of emotion on a day-to-day basis. That's all there is to it. Things like 'I had a shit day'. Weirdos show absolutely no emotion and weirdos cry over nothing. Men and women are pretty similar in this respect. Women do talk about shallow emotions more often (usually for comical or storytelling value).

nicholaxxx said:
-men open up to their male friends because then they can let their guard down more/trust the men more
Well, you're a man I presume so I won't doubt that.

nicholaxxx said:
-A huge ego will only make women think less of you
Same way as a huge ego makes anyone think less of anyone.

nicholaxxx said:
-men who open up to women do so because they trust said women, and their opinion matters to them or else they wouldn't do it, IE: NO guy in their right mind would go up to some random girl and start opening up
But you wouldn't open up to some random bloke either!

Your last 2 points were fine.

I'm just trying to get at the point that saying 'women won't like the worst bastard you can think of' is redundant. Of course they won't. Just like they won't like the bitchiest girl you can think of. And just like men don't like horrible people.

People don't like horrible people.
 

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Firstly, yes I am making a lot of generalizations. I feel being more specific closes the argument off and does not allow for any kind of discussion. Too specific and I'll just find a thread of people nodding or shaking.

Secondly, please don't get me wrong, I'm not just talking about 'jocks'. I am speaking of a more broader male populace. And I apologize if the argument I put across seemed to only scream "men are assholes", the entire point of it was display how people have subtle sexisms within them.

And when I compare nice guys to 'males', I simply mean mean who can provide security as opposed to a guy who may be the nicest guy in the village of Isengard, but if he can't take care of a woman than the woman will not consider him. Feel free to argue.

ANYWAY, A lot of you may be just the exception of the rule. I do not doubt you're integrity, and I'm sure you say what you are, and if friends don't help each other than they aren't friends. I don't disagree with that for a second.

But from an evolutionary stand point can you disagree when I say that men are very conscious of public appearances in regards to power? Even if a guy gives off a "i don't give a fuck" vibe, that's still power in of itself isn't it? And can you claim that a majority of men will not treat men and women differently even if you do, because really would you consider yourself a sample model for the general population? Feel free to disagree with me, the sparks of conflicting views ignite the flames of enlightenment.

I'm getting a lot of feedback, which I honestly like I'm going to double post this and reply one at a time. So I apologize in advance for this.

EDIT: Oh please don't make conclusions on me based on this post, I only type what I see, not what I feel.
if there are a lot of exceptions, then it's not a rule, just a generalization, which is getting progressively annoying coming from you... I think you need to shut up now, you're giving the people who are exceptions to the generalization more to argue with, and trust me, you're fighting a losing battle.

and when I say 'I don't give a fuck' I genuinley DON'T GIVE A FUCK as long as I'm happy, IDRC who has all of the power.
 

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lol dude just do everyone a favour and shut the fuck up? Stop talking about stuff you obviously know nothing about.

Some girls like nice guys, some girls like dickheads, some girls like both and some girls even like other girls. Has it ever occurred to you that maybe women don't like you because you talk shit like this?? You can't just generalise, life doesn't work like that.

You should stop analysing the petty things and just live your sodding life.
you're my favourite.

OT: i think some of this would work with some guys but yeah, generalising pretty badly here.
be nice to him everyone, its not his fault...
 

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I'm not the most masculine man ever, I certainly try to avoid fights and am a generally nice guy. However (allow me to be a little chauvinistic here) I think the reason that I don't get as much female attention as I could is because women are too ruled by instinct. Now I know that the typical male is a hooting, violent stereotype but I have met many men who realise that why they do these things are simple instinct rather than an actual feeling, and work around it, like me. I, however, have never met a woman (at least in my age group) who realises that the reason she is attracted to the manly man is because she is hardwired to believe that he will protect the tribe and the cubs and all that shit, and the reason she wants to have kids is because 'the race must continue'. I know this sounds sexist but it's just what I've noticed. I think if women dropped the whole 'ruled by biology' thing it would be a much more equal sexual plane, rather than simply wait for our instincts to catch up with us. Sorry if I sound bitter, but I am. (Also all the women I know of my age won't stop saying 'like' and I don't even live in fucking America!)

Again, QFT.

Simple test to prove this point. All those people who come from single mothers, ask your mother her opinion of your father and you usually(not always) will get a mix of: he was an asshole/idiot/lazy/irresponsible/no good blabidy-blabidy-blah.

But then, WHY did they have sex with them? And bear their child? Obviously there was SOMETHING attracting your mom, my guess it's because he WAS an ass and that got her off.

I think this is a large reason why we have such an epidemic of young single mothers nowadays, they pick the bad men, fuck them, get knocked up, then are surprised that these guys abandoned them....or the women kick them away because they realized these guys suck(your mileage may vary).
 

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A rather good post, DoW. I'm currently studying gender communication, and, taking into account that these are all generalizations, the things stated are accurate. I just dug up a quiz on the differences between men and women that I took on the first day of one of my classes, a true and false quiz, and I'll post the points and the study which all of these points come from:

Gender and Communication Quiz said:
How much do you know about how men and women communicate with one another? The 20 items in this questionnaire are based on research conducted in classrooms, private homes, businesses, offices, hospitals--the places where people commonly work and socialize. If you think a statement is generally an accurate description of female and male communication patterns, mark it true. If you think it's not an accurate description, mark it false.

1. Men talk more than women.
2. Men are more likely to interrupt women than they are to interrupt men.
3. There are approximately ten times as many sexual terms for males as for females in the English language.
4. During conversations, women spend more time gazing at their partner than men do.
5. Nonverbal messages carry more weight than verbal messages.
6. Female managers communicate with more emotional openness and drama than do male managers.
7. Men not only control the content of conversations, they also work harder in keeping conversations going.
8. When people hear generic words such as "mankind" and "he," they respond inclusively, indicating that the terms apply to both sexes.
9. Women are more likely to touch others than men are.
10. In classroom communication, male students receive more reprimands than female students.
11. Women are more likely than men to disclose information on intimate personal concerns.
12. Female speakers are more animated in their conversational style than are male speakers.
13. Women use less personal space than men.
14. When a male speaks, he is listened to more carefully than a female speaker, even when she makes the identical presentation.
15. In general, women speak in a more tentative style than do men.
16. Women are more likely to answer questions that are not addressed to them.
17. There is widespread sex segregation in schools, and it hinders effective classroom communication.
18. Female managers are seen by both male and female subordinates as better communicators than male managers.
19. In classroom communication, teachers are more likely to give verbal praise to females than to male students.
20. In general, men smile more often than women.

This quiz was developed by Myra Sadker with the assistance of Joyce Kaser, in The Communications Gender Gap published by the Mid-Atlantic Center for Sex Equity. Made available by the Project on the Status and Education of Women, Association of American Colleges, 1818 R Street, NW, Washington DC 20009

1. T 2. T 3. F 4. T 5. T
6. F 7. F 8. F 9. T 10. T
11. T 12. T 13. T 14. T 15. F
16. F 17. T 18. F 19. T 20. F
This all said, the differences in gender identification are growing closer with every day. I don't believe that they will become unable to differentiate within my lifetime, or probably ever, but certain things such as women being able to be taken as just seriously is something that will eventually arrive.

Gorbek said:
Oh fuck, not this again "women are all equal, but men are all bastards, but i'm imuune to hate crimes so fuck you."
I swear by my hat that there is nothing worse than one of these damn women that come in here with an anti-masculine agenda and are aloud to get away with their freaking discrimination.
The OP's a man.
 

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Antlers said:
nicholaxxx said:
Just to sum up:
-women like people who can defend them if needed, but isn't a macho hardcase
Same way as women like other women really... You want your friends to stick up for you.

nicholaxxx said:
-women like men who show them emotion and open up enough
Yeah... You can all prattle all day about how you don't show emotion but normal people show a normal level of emotion on a day-to-day basis. That's all there is to it. Things like 'I had a shit day'. Weirdos show absolutely no emotion and weirdos cry over nothing. Men and women are pretty similar in this respect. Women do talk about shallow emotions more often (usually for comical or storytelling value).

nicholaxxx said:
-men open up to their male friends because then they can let their guard down more/trust the men more
Well, you're a man I presume so I won't doubt that.

nicholaxxx said:
-A huge ego will only make women think less of you
Same way as a huge ego makes anyone think less of anyone.

nicholaxxx said:
-men who open up to women do so because they trust said women, and their opinion matters to them or else they wouldn't do it, IE: NO guy in their right mind would go up to some random girl and start opening up
But you wouldn't open up to some random bloke either!

Your last 2 points were fine.

I'm just trying to get at the point that saying 'women won't like the worst bastard you can think of' is redundant. Of course they won't. Just like they won't like the bitchiest girl you can think of. And just like men don't like horrible people.

People don't like horrible people.
OK, you got me, all of that is a general consensus between both sexes, I was just using the 'women are into from a man' because that's what he was talking about, female/male attraction, unless I missed something?

ego thing, true, but refer to my opening statement in this reply

yes, I am a male, that's generally how I feel about opening up, I trust my male friends more and value the opinion of my female peers more

OK, i guess I painted myself into a corner, I meant to say, while I'm at school i act indifferent, but when I'm with my friends/ family I show emotion.

I can't argue that first point, touche

No, no one would open up to some random bloke, I guess being in highschool, debating these kinds of things with my friends narrowed my perspective of 'random girl' what I meant to say was some random girl who you know, but not well enough to call 'friend'
 

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I don't treat men and women the same because they're not the same. I do treat them with equal respect though, but then that's not quite the same as treating them literally the same. I see no problem with any of this.

I never had a problem recently finding girls who might be interested in me, but I sincerely doubt it's because I exhibit "alpha male" attributes or whatever. I think it's just because I'm fairly confident, basically honest and not afraid to be myself. Some qualities I have might be considered masculine but others might be considered less so. I don't really think about it all that much to be honest, and I think that's the secret. Just relax and be yourself - it doesn't matter who you are or what you're like - some ladies are simply going to like you and some are simply not. Different girls like different sorts of guys. Don't worry about all that gender theory/ladder theory/instinct/SNAG vs alpha male stuff, it's all a big fat red herring that will drive you up the wall. Just be confident, be yourself, have fun, take opportunities to be social and expand your circle of friends, and success in this area WILL come.
 

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nicholaxxx said:
OK, you got me, all of that is a general consensus between both sexes, I was just using the 'women are into from a man' because that's what he was talking about, female/male attraction, unless I missed something?

ego thing, true, but refer to my opening statement in this reply

yes, I am a male, that's generally how I feel about opening up, I trust my male friends more and value the opinion of my female peers more

OK, i guess I painted myself into a corner, I meant to say, while I'm at school i act indifferent, but when I'm with my friends/ family I show emotion.

I can't argue that first point, touche

No, no one would open up to some random bloke, I guess being in highschool, debating these kinds of things with my friends narrowed my perspective of 'random girl' what I meant to say was some random girl who you know, but not well enough to call 'friend'
No no I understand what you were saying. I wasn't really arguing with your points about what women like, I was more just saying that the OP is irrelevant in the same way, because most of things just apply to both sexes. As you say.

I do think this view of women talking more about their feelings is nonsense though. I suppose overall, I know as many guys well as girls. NONE of us talk excessively about feelings! People just don't! Unless they're a bit odd.
 

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DoW Lowen said:
However do you find it odd that for a majority (not everyone, there's always exceptions to the rules), a majority of life partners just happened to be within driving distance of each other?
Ah, but at what distance does it become a little more than just happenstance?
A good number of people are finding each other online, and do have very healthy and happy relationships.

Gorbek said:
Oh fuck, not this again "women are all equal, but men are all bastards, but i'm imuune to hate crimes so fuck you."
I swear by my hat that there is nothing worse than one of these damn women that come in here with an anti-masculine agenda and are aloud to get away with their freaking discrimination.
Sorry but, OP is a male.
Besides, there are some anti-feminine males here who get away with discriminatory things quite often. The door swings both ways.
 

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I actually liked reading that. Well done, O.P.

As for me:
I'm slightly cynical at times, but all-over I'm a doormat on the outside.
In company of others, I'm always polite and treat women with great respect. I'm definetly a gentleman, not a brute.

I'm only dominant if there's an agressive situation, or when I'm alone with my girl.



It's fine like that.
 

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Pots said:
snipped cool story bro image
Cool overused, unimaginative meme, bro.
Oh, so sorry sir.

Maybe I should have just gone with this.

That guy is a fucking rockstar.

No offence intended, I just have an aversion to internet memes being used on forum disussions for some reason. It says 'no real opinion of one's own' to me.