Would you buy a Call of Duty game if you got to play as a Nazi?
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Sure. If the game was well made and the story was good, I'd play anything. I think the game would eventually have to put a negative light on the actions and maybe fill the characters with guilt. Maybe show how most Nazi soldiers did not agree with Hitler's ideals.
1. Germany lost to the Allies: U.S.A, Soviet Union, and Britain. The two most prominent forces being from Asia and North America.TylerC said:
2. There is more to Nazism then Jews are bad.
3. Propaganda is used to corrupt youth.
4. Do you need to be on the winning side to enjoy a game?
I'd buy any FPS that lets me play as a Nazi because I'm incredibly interested in how the story would play out.
That and I wanna see if the game developer is ballsy enough to reproduce some of the stories you hear about Germany Soldiers killing Jews. It's not pretty, but it's educational, and, dare I say it, would probably be entertaining if done right.
If I did play something like that I wouldn't go out and start slaughtering Jews, so don't mix my words around.
That and I wanna see if the game developer is ballsy enough to reproduce some of the stories you hear about Germany Soldiers killing Jews. It's not pretty, but it's educational, and, dare I say it, would probably be entertaining if done right.
If I did play something like that I wouldn't go out and start slaughtering Jews, so don't mix my words around.
I think that would be the beauty of it, rather than doing all the rah-rah America bullshit - do one where you play as the Nazis and slaughter americans - really flip the genre on its head and make them think about how repetitive the plots in FPS have become, and where it's possible to go with them.the wako kid said:
Really there is no excuse for all FPS being so similar, its a perfectly acceptable medium for story-telling - and it's not like war (and FPS in turn) is the plot of so many other stories anyways.
For example, you could make an FPS here you switch back and forth between playing as Serbs and Croats in the Bosnia/Herzegovina War - you could go miles by exploring the seperate perspectives of the two sides and the travesties and war crimes commited by both sides in trying to achieve their ever-changing objectives and faction alliances. Done properly it would be a brilliantly intriguing plot that actually teaches players about world history, and the avenue for controversy and abject violence would certainly sate both the need to be edgy and the even the most hardcore of virtual violence aficionados.
You could do an FPS that explores the Sri Lankan Civil War that went on from the early 80's and finally ended just last year - mountains of historically accurate material and awesome gameplay jumping between the Sri Lankan soldiers for major battles and the Tamil Tigers for covert/terrorist operations. The plots write themselves, can be historically accurate, very very intriguing - and actually teach people about world affairs.
But no no, let's explore what might have happened in an parallel universe if the World War 2 never ended, or the Cold War escalated - just so long as in either case - as in all parallel universes apparently, America wins at completely fictional battles.
Hell - you could even flip my above idea on its head and make a historically accurate game where America does come out on top - you know what might be a cool idea there? The American Revolutionary War. Explore how America broke away from England - you could do all the rah-rah America stuff and actually make it both a) good, and b) accurate and educational.
It annoys me that I can, in 15 minutes - devise a handful of pretty much gaurenteed Game of the Year's, but that such things come out so rarely
Holy. shit. You've just blown my mind.
I want this game... It wouldn't even have to be a call of duty game, infact i'm not so much for CoD since the first one. So I'd like to see someone else grab this by the horns.
I want this game... It wouldn't even have to be a call of duty game, infact i'm not so much for CoD since the first one. So I'd like to see someone else grab this by the horns.
That's not contreversial, that's being offensive for the sake of being offensive.Matthew Wilson said:
I will admit that I always sort of wanted to do a horror game about the Nazis during World War II, Hitler had an obsession with the occult, but while he wanted to conquer the world I see no real reason why this would nessicarly amount to the popular fantasy vision of him dealing with Demonic powers, or doing something stupid like trying to summon Cthulhu or whatever.
It would be an interesting perspective to play members of a Nazi occult warfare unit trying to protect the world from supernatural threats while the war is going on, this would allow the use of weapons loosely based on some of the crazier things the Nazis and Brotherhood of Thule allegedly had/were working on.
If I was going to bring Jews into it, I wouldn't be going in the direction of concentration camps and mass murder or anything of the sort. I'd be focusing on more contreversial aspects like the various art treasures pulled out of the homes of the jewish elite, and synagogues, many of which had been lost for centuries of thousands of years, lost to bandits and pirates and the like. It's not politically correct to talk about but while Hitler went WAY overboard there were some grains of truth to the accusations since Jews did very well engage in things like loan sharking, bookkeeping, and ran a lot of criminal enterprises. What's more according to some sources Hitler based his "Master Race" rhetoric on some of the more extreme Jewish positions of the time based on the idea of them being God's chosen people with the right to rule over everyone, and the proper ownership of anything having to do with god.
Every once in a while you hear arguements about "Jew Gold" and the like, all South Park episodes aside the real issue comes down to money that was either taken by the Nazis, or stored by various Jews fleeing persecution, and then claimed by third parties who claim it was stolen from them originally. Things like lost gold bars stamped by the Spanish Treasury that allegedly were lost to pirates or bandits or whatever in transit. Ditto for missing art treasures, and things like a 12' tall gilded cross that was allegedly carried by Knights in the Crusades as a battle standard. I'm no expert on the subject but every once in a while you wind up hearing about such arguements, or battles with museums over whether a national treasure is actually the personal property of some Jewish family or whatever.
There is nothing contreversial about loading a bunch of innocent people into train cars to be executed. That's just wrong. But doing a storyline that blended occult horror, with recovering stolen relics and the like would be contreversial, because you'd be dealing with the Jewish elite of the time, many of whom were reportedly not nice people, and there would be some uncomfortable facts involved in that.
It will never happen, but if I did do it, my intent would be to create something differant, and definatly about dark anti-heroes. I would also have to walk a very fine line to avoid it turning into some kind of anti-semitic hate fest, or a "The Nazis were great!" work since neither of those things would be the point.
... and for the record, I will say that I'm pretty sure there have been a number of games that have let you play a Nazi soldier in a tank or plane. I seem to remember this was part of Sierra's old "Secret Weapons Of The Luftwaffe" for example, as well as games like "Axis and Allies" which let you play as any of the powers of the time.
That aside, I think people tend to be more touchy on this subject than they should be (even allowing for the reasons), but at the same time something like suggested above is pretty much a pointless attempt in getting a rise out of people for no good reason.
No and here's why, if they allow you to be a Nazi it will be in 1 of 2 contexts:
1) Multiplayer only.
2) Modern Warfare 2 style meaning, you are only a Nazi for one mission
1) Multiplayer only.
2) Modern Warfare 2 style meaning, you are only a Nazi for one mission
one slow paced, linear level where you are back-stabbed and killed at the end when the SS finds out you are actually a French spy
1. I said they lost the war?xRagnarok19 said:
2.
Nazism, Naziism, national socialism (a form of socialism featuring racism and expansionism and obedience to a strong leader) 3. I know that, and it was a huge part of Nazi Germany. Yeah the U.S. used it during war time too, but it's completely different. See an example here. As well has getting children to join the Hitler Youth and the League of German Girls.
4. No, I guess not. But what game to you actively play the loser, with 0 hope of winning?
Playing as a German in the single player of CoD? If done right (ie maturely and well), sure, it'd be a change at least
I would like anything related to WW2 that showed German soldiers as anything other then full-blown Nazis, the fact there were fucking two hundred million casualties resulting from the war, and the royal ass whooping Russia gave Germany and countries other then America fighting Germany.
1. Look at the bold text.TylerC said:1. I said they lost the war?TylerC said:
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3. I know that, and it was a huge part of Nazi Germany. Yeah the U.S. used it during war time too, but it's completely different. See an example here. As well has getting children to join the Hitler Youth and the League of German Girls.
4. No, I guess not. But what game to you actively play the loser, with 0 hope of winning?
2. Too lazy to repeat myself.
3. So a charismatic leader inspiring the youth of his country is a bad thing, but only in countries we don't like right?
4. What about games who's opening is you dying? Like Brothers in Arms.
that is a game of the year actually*gives cookie*SkillOverKill said:I think that would be the beauty of it, rather than doing all the rah-rah America bullshit - do one where you play as the Nazis and slaughter americans - really flip the genre on its head and make them think about how repetitive the plots in FPS have become, and where it's possible to go with them.the wako kid said:
Really there is no excuse for all FPS being so similar, its a perfectly acceptable medium for story-telling - and it's not like war (and FPS in turn) is the plot of so many other stories anyways.
For example, you could make an FPS here you switch back and forth between playing as Serbs and Croats in the Bosnia/Herzegovina War - you could go miles by exploring the seperate perspectives of the two sides and the travesties and war crimes commited by both sides in trying to achieve their ever-changing objectives and faction alliances. Done properly it would be a brilliantly intriguing plot that actually teaches players about world history, and the avenue for controversy and abject violence would certainly sate both the need to be edgy and the even the most hardcore of virtual violence aficionados.
You could do an FPS that explores the Sri Lankan Civil War that went on from the early 80's and finally ended just last year - mountains of historically accurate material and awesome gameplay jumping between the Sri Lankan soldiers for major battles and the Tamil Tigers for covert/terrorist operations. The plots write themselves, can be historically accurate, very very intriguing - and actually teach people about world affairs.
But no no, let's explore what might have happened in an parallel universe if the World War 2 never ended, or the Cold War escalated - just so long as in either case - as in all parallel universes apparently, America wins at completely fictional battles.
Hell - you could even flip my above idea on its head and make a historically accurate game where America does come out on top - you know what might be a cool idea there? The American Revolutionary War. Explore how America broke away from England - you could do all the rah-rah America stuff and actually make it both a) good, and b) accurate and educational.
It annoys me that I can, in 15 minutes - devise a handful of pretty much gaurenteed Game of the Year's, but that such things come out so rarely