Would you buy a Call of Duty game if you got to play as a Nazi?

[A-D.]

Actually i was hoping for a Game that shows the perspective from a different Side. Now dont go flaming me for it and hear me out first.

It doesnt matter which game you play, Medal of Honor, Call of Duty and so forth have all shown pretty much every single Angle of the second World War, but only for the side of the Allied Troops or Russians. Where you start as a proud little Soldier so contend with the View that every German is the ultimate evil (that has been in propaganda btw) and therefore deserves no Mercy. So you go on killing lotsa german soldier pixels and free the World. Game over, you're done.

Now imagine starting differently. We know from History, or at least those that actually take their Time that no all German Soldiers were Nazis or agreed with their Decisions. They were Soldiers and swore an Oath to serve their Country, which is what most did, same with Americans who are always portrayed as Heroes, no matter what they did.

So if anything, i would consider a faithful Adaption of that Idea to start in a Concentration Camp, however you do not do anything, you simply follow some Officer, looking at the Prisoners left and right, hearing a Monologue of how disillusioned that Soldier is with what he sees, it culminates with you simply hearing a Gunshot, your Character turns automatically to see a Prisoner fall down dead, and it ends there. Fade to Black obviously, when you then begin the Game you rather play a German that indirectly sabotages the Nazi's War-Effort, fighting rather for what that Soldier believes to be right than whats being told, you dont fight for the Nazi's but rather your own Country, always having those Monologues now and then, hearing the Reasons why he is doing what he does, a more moral angle of the War, not a clear good/bad.

So yes, if done correctly such a Game could be very interesting. It might even culminate with the attempted Assassination of Hitler, which is also a historical Fact. With which the Game would end, of course in the End you lose, but you dont lose based on "You are the Evil Guy", but rather you simply lost, fighting still for what you thought was right and had to be done, even if that meant betraying your Country ultimately to stop a Madman. As said, they should, if ever, portray it as a moraly Gray Game, not a clear Good vs Evil as they have done so far.

The Topic though is controversial really, alot of People always assume that all Germans during the War were evil, even though they werent. So even just that change in Perspective would upset a lot of People for the Developers attempt to "protray the Nazis as good". So yeah it probably would never be done

*sigh* only ONE prisoner....

the fuck? if i fight for the nazis then i am a nazi. german soldiers were fighting for hitler, who was a nazi. no matter what the soldeirs actual intentions were, they fought for hitler, and against the jewish people, so they are a nazi

Wait...what?

 

[Lem0nade Inlay]

Sure I would love to stroke my German pride as I kick Europe's ass.

I'm with you there man, German pride!
[sub]I don't support Nazism though, I swear...<_<[/sub]

OP: Well I don't know, if it wasn't a CoD game and it looked interesting enough I might buy it. But it would just be the same as any other War FPS? Your side trying to shoot the other, when I'm in the middle of a shootout I'm not going to think
"Oh wow, this is so much better because I'm playing as a Nazi!"

 

[Jake0fTrades]

I'd only play if I led a secret mission in time to kill Hitler, and then re-write history to say he committed suicide.

Or if everyone talked like Richthofen, and listened to polka.

 

[SoranMBane]

That probably would be somewhat interesting, but it wouldn't mask the fact that I'd be playing ANOTHER World War II game. So, no, I most likely wouldn't buy it. I'd be more interested in a game where you play as an invading alien, like Destroy All Humans, only with a serious tone and less humanoid aliens.

 

[gamer_parent]

I think a better question would be "would the people who buy the COD FPS franchises NOT buy the game if you could play as an SS soldier, with all of the atrocities intact"

and sadly, the controversy would probably still be the most interesting thing about the game.

 

[silasbufu]

Never, fuck the Nazis. I would play as a Japanese though.

 

[Billion Backs]

the fuck? if i fight for the nazis then i am a nazi. german soldiers were fighting for hitler, who was a nazi. no matter what the soldeirs actual intentions were, they fought for hitler, and against the jewish people, so they are a nazi

Uh not really.

The soldiers didn't fight against the jews. The soldiers fought against the Europe and everyone else who felt like joining in. In their defense, after World War 1 pretty much the entire world was kind of dicks towards Germany.

AND NO, THERE WERE NO NAZIS IN WORLD WAR 1.

And when you've got conscription, a very tightly controlled country, and a reason to hate a good portion of the world, your chances of escaping or rebelling and not being caught are practically 0. Desertion during war, too, was generally severely punished back then. And even if they did desert, there wouldn't exactly be places for them to go that easily.


And more on topic, I'm not a big fan of Call of Duty franchise or of the World War 2 based games, although I'd see no problem playing for whichever side of conflict. In war all is fair, and historically speaking all are dicks. And fuck, that's what you're supposed to do at war - if you can minimize the casualties on your side and maximize the benefits for your people, feel free to shit on everyone.

Also cough cough firebombings of Tokyo, general bombing targeting civilians both by Germany and by Britain and all that.

And either way, both sides are just a bunch of tiny dudes shooting at each other. Aside from the uniforms you probably won't even notice the difference in an FPS.

 

[Billion Backs]

Never, fuck the Nazis. I would play as a Japanese though.

Japanese were kind of dicks too. Very much so.

Their entire society prior to the second half of 20th century was a horrible mess and just as any side during WW2 they were massive dicks in quite a few encounters.

So very little difference overall. Hell, in a completely hypothetical situation where I had to choose between two piles of shit - Nazi Germany or the semi-traditional Japan, I'd be more inclined to pick the former.

Well, neither would be a better choice, actually.

 

[gamer_parent]

Never, fuck the Nazis. I would play as a Japanese though.

Japanese were kind of dicks too. Very much so.

Their entire society prior to the second half of 20th century was a horrible mess and just as any side during WW2 they were massive dicks in quite a few encounters.

So very little difference overall. Hell, in a completely hypothetical situation where I had to choose between two piles of shit - Nazi Germany or the semi-traditional Japan, I'd be more inclined to pick the former.

Well, neither would be a better choice, actually.

but... they gave us Ninjas... and samurais... and KATANAS... and ANIME!!!

 

[SL33TBL1ND]

No. WWII should never be made into a game ever again.

 

[Withall]

I probably would, as long as the developers didn't portray them as cackling madmen or straw-man villains. Whatever you think about the leadership of Nazi Germany, the men (and later boys) did respond to the literal Call of Duty to expand, and protect their motherland.

If patriotism is a moral crime, doesn't that mean that EVERYONE who likes their country is a sinner?

Back to topic. Sure. I'd like to give 'em yanks a good trashing for once.

 

[Billion Backs]

Never, fuck the Nazis. I would play as a Japanese though.

Japanese were kind of dicks too. Very much so.

Their entire society prior to the second half of 20th century was a horrible mess and just as any side during WW2 they were massive dicks in quite a few encounters.

So very little difference overall. Hell, in a completely hypothetical situation where I had to choose between two piles of shit - Nazi Germany or the semi-traditional Japan, I'd be more inclined to pick the former.

Well, neither would be a better choice, actually.

but... they gave us Ninjas... and samurais... and KATANAS... and ANIME!!!

No, pop culture and general fiction gave us that.

The real samurais are like the real knights. Much less of a valiant knight in shining armor and much more of an idiot superstitious buffoon in a considerably higher position then the average person, often undeserved, and generally acting like a dick to all below. You know, the usual monarchy/feudalism stuff.

Ninjas are just killers for hire, without the ability to jump hundreds of meters up and down, doing magic, and so on. Nothing wrong with that, I guess.

Anime is just cartoons, nothing more, nothing less. At least they've realized that a cartoon doesn't necessarily have to have kids as it's target audience. Although on average, in terms of quality of plot or storytelling it tends to be as generic as any western cartoon, just with somewhat different tropes in place of more familiar (to us) ones due to cultural differences and what not.

 

[Vern]

I wouldn't be particularly interested if it was about the SS and the concentration camps. I'm not a huge fan of playing out genocide, just as I wouldn't enjoy playing a game where I was a Khmer Rouge officer ordering people to stand in lines so they could be mowed down by machine gun fire, or ordering them to starve to death in labor camps.
However, I think a game about the common Wehrmacht soldier could be interesting. There's the right side/wrong side of history about it, but the average German soldier was just as brave as any American, Russian, British, Canadian, Australian, Polish, Finnish, Czech, etc soldier. They were fighting for their homeland, just massively mislead. It might be my German ancestry talking, but I have great respect for the Germans. I also have great respect for the Soviets that fought them, considering my Russian heritage. Plus they had some really awesome weapons: K 98, G43, MP40, MP44, FG42, MG42, the first jet fighter, the first long range ballistic missile in the V2. They were smart folks, and I wouldn't mind playing a game based on the average Wehrmacht unit.
At least if done properly it would give people a better understanding of history. It's one of the reasons I still love the first Call of Duty, it gave you the chance to play as the British and Russian soldiers as well as the Americans. For the most part, World War II games in America have been stuck with this "Americans kicked the Nazi's asses, hoorah!" attitude that trivializes the roles everyone else played. A deeper understanding of history, even if in game form is a good thing.
I'd like to play a game from a Wehrmacht point of view, but not a Nazi point of view. The German's had some really advanced equipment, and I think a game based around the battle of Stalingrad, or fighting back in the Battle of the Bulge, or the Afrikan campaign would be interesting.

 

[gamer_parent]

No, pop culture and general fiction gave us that.

The real samurais are like the real knights. Much less of a valiant knight in shining armor and much more of an idiot superstitious buffoon in a considerably higher position then the average person, often undeserved, and generally acting like a dick to all below. You know, the usual monarchy/feudalism stuff.

Ninjas are just killers for hire, without the ability to jump hundreds of meters up and down, doing magic, and so on. Nothing wrong with that, I guess.

Anime is just cartoons, nothing more, nothing less. At least they've realized that a cartoon doesn't necessarily have to have kids as it's target audience. Although on average, in terms of quality of plot or storytelling it tends to be as generic as any western cartoon, just with somewhat different tropes in place of more familiar (to us) ones due to cultural differences and what not.

dude, I'm just being facetious.

 

[Billion Backs]

I probably would, as long as the developers didn't portray them as cackling madmen or straw-man villains. Whatever you think about the leadership of Nazi Germany, the men (and later boys) did respond to the literal Call of Duty to expand, and protect their motherland.

If patriotism is a moral crime, doesn't that mean that EVERYONE who likes their country is a sinner?

Back to topic. Sure. I'd like to give 'em yanks a good trashing for once.

Morality is like an asshole, everyone's got one and it's full of shit.

According to SOME moral views, everyone is a "sinner" by default. Whatever helps control the most people, I guess.

Back to topic, I'd imagine that a World War 2 game featuring Nazis would focus around France, Britain and Russia a LOT more then the USA.

Unless overly patriotic developers choose to replace every other country with Americuh!

 

[Billion Backs]

No, pop culture and general fiction gave us that.

The real samurais are like the real knights. Much less of a valiant knight in shining armor and much more of an idiot superstitious buffoon in a considerably higher position then the average person, often undeserved, and generally acting like a dick to all below. You know, the usual monarchy/feudalism stuff.

Ninjas are just killers for hire, without the ability to jump hundreds of meters up and down, doing magic, and so on. Nothing wrong with that, I guess.

Anime is just cartoons, nothing more, nothing less. At least they've realized that a cartoon doesn't necessarily have to have kids as it's target audience. Although on average, in terms of quality of plot or storytelling it tends to be as generic as any western cartoon, just with somewhat different tropes in place of more familiar (to us) ones due to cultural differences and what not.

dude, I'm just being facetious.

So? I've got time to waste and shit to rant about.

 

[Silver Patriot]

That and you lose at the end.

Which is not all that different from CoD4.

 

[gamer_parent]

So? I've got time to waste and shit to rant about.

... you make a very compelling point...

And what's the deal with AIRPLANE food?!?!

 

[Billion Backs]

So? I've got time to waste and shit to rant about.

... you make a very compelling point...

And what's the deal with AIRPLANE food?!?!

I don't know! Last time I flew the food quality was pretty good compared to some shit you can find in some fast-"food" "restaurants". Or my grandma's cooking.

Now those damn TV dinners, what's the deal with them!?

 

[gamer_parent]

I don't know! Last time I flew the food quality was pretty good compared to some shit you can find in some fast-"food" "restaurants". Or my grandma's cooking.

Now those damn TV dinners, what's the deal with them!?

I know right? It's like eating a box full of cardboard!!!

And what's the deal with TV political shows!?!