Wouldn't a Fallout outside of the US not really work?

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suicide samurai

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Korten12 said:
In recent topic debates about where the next Fallout should take, many said other countinents, like Europe and such but some say it wouldn't be Fallout.

Now from the Fallout games i've played, 3 and NV (tried the first two but couldn't get into at that time but I might in the future) and from what it seems that the lore is deeply intwined within American culture of the 50's? Also with Vaults only existing in the US, since it does say on the Fallout Wiki that it took 645 billion dollars (I am guessing they got the info from F1/2) to build all of them.

Also another thing, before The Great War, Europe got into the Europe-Middle East war which left both sides in utter ruins, which then 10 or so years later, the Great War began, odds are since it did get hit by bombs and they couldn't completely restore Europe in 10 years, odds are it was almost if not completely destroyed.

So could someone explain this more througly.

I have heard China might work since China was a big part of the Great War.

Grouchy Imp did a good job explaining.

Grouchy Imp said:
I would say that is mainly because of the feel of the original games. Ok, Fallout 3 took a different take on the Fallout world and totally changed it's vibe (mainly by completely removing the strong undercurrent of humour the originals had), but the original Fallouts played on the idea that after a nuclear war the survivors settled into a rancher/frontiersman stlye of life, strongly remenicient of the Wild West. And the Wild West is a distinctly American phenomenon. With that in mind, it follows that having a Fallout in Paris makes about as much sense as shooting a Western in London.

Another point is the things that make Fallout would disappear. For example, Super Mutants only exist in America as they were genetically engineered there and wouldn't be found elsewhere. Vault-Tec is an American company and so other countries wouldn't have Vaults - they might have Bunkers, or Shelters, but they wouldn't be Vaults. Deathclaws were engineered in America and wouldn't be found elsewhere. The Enclave, as the remenant of the US government, wouldn't exist elsewhere. The Brotherhood of Steel, as the remenant of the US military, wouldn't exist anywhere else (except Afghanistan and Iraq. ZING!). Once you've removed from Fallout everything that makes it Fallout, you just have another post-apocalyptic RPG, so it makes no sense to move Fallout to another country.
the closest thing that would be close to Fallout: Europe would Fallout: Resource Wars, a game Obsidian says they would like to play that would take place in Europe during the Resource wars, though it wouldn't be post-apcoplytic since The Resource Wars were before the Great War. They said it was also be multiplayer team-based.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Fallout:_Resource_Wars

Then there is also the fact of the part of the Resource War: The Europe-Middle East War which both sides were reduced to ruins and that was before the Great War.
Some of the logic here is flawed, so I'll provide my input.

While the game is based on 1950's culture, it isn't in any way based off of 1950's science. One could argue either way that the game is based on 1950's politics, but that's another debate.

There is one spot I am hazy on--you say the "great war" followed the "european-middle Eastern War..." are you speaking historically, or per canon in the games? I ask this as there were a lot of European fights in the middle-east (and India) prior to WW 1, which is also known as "the great war."

As it is, there was a low level of "bunker culture" in Europe, so such could exist in a European or Asian Fall-out game.

We're living prior to the end of the world per Fall-out canon, and one of the worlds current news topics is wiki-leaks and it's leader Assange... which houses his site in a bunker.

Personally, Fall-out should stay based in America (just because I like to see what a fragged world I'm familiar with looks like), but one of the great movies to make a mark on American culture was the "Mad Max" series, written and starring Australians.
 

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I see dont see why It couldnt I mean different countries had different fifties culture
 

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Of course it wouldnt work! Everyone knows America is the centre of the universe. Why have games in boring new locations when we can experience more of the same? Everyone knows that the problem with todays game industry is that they try new things too often. Besides, us foreigners NEVER get tired of playing games with an American-centric outlook. But in all seriousness, Europe would be great. They had a huge oil war with the Mid-East, then turned on each other during the last days of pre-nukedom. Lots of possibilities to explore.
 

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Dog Wednesday said:
Of course it wouldnt work! Everyone knows America is the centre of the universe. Why have games in boring new locations when we can experience more of the same? Everyone knows that the problem with todays game industry is that they try new things too often. Besides, us foreigners NEVER get tired of playing games with an American-centric outlook. But in all seriousness, Europe would be great. They had a huge oil war with the Mid-East, then turned on each other during the last days of pre-nukedom. Lots of possibilities to explore.
I think its less of the, 'its based around American culture' concept that some developers have and more about 'we really can't be bothered to delve into other country's cultures for our game, ah, lets make another game in New York'.

Not that I have anything against possibly the best if not one of the best cities in the world, but when all games want to base it around New York, it starts to get tedious :/

I have yet to play a game that takes place in Scotland or New Zealand, heck, even Zimbabwe, there are so many lores, cultures, religeons, countries etc to base games around, developers really are not restricted in the amount of freedom they have, they just choose to do that because its the cheapest option :/
 

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For me, what makes Fallout so appealing is the setting; recognizable monuments and settings juxtaposed with devastation and war (Washington Monument, etc.) and the fundamental challenge of survival. Hardcore Mode in NV was a brilliant addition to the games.
The question I would as is: Is the fifties sensibility fundamental to the Fallout aesthetic? To me, not really. The fifties aesthetic is more of a symptom of the hypothetical social problems of the pre-war fallout universe. The fifties aesthetic is a symptom of a culture stagnating under the weight of its own success and excess.
And nowhere, my friends, stagnates like China. So because no-one seems to have done so, I give you my pitch for Fallout: Beijing.

First of all, Beijing municipality is huge, and there are so many things you can include in a potential game map. There are vast areas of parkland within the city itself, Beijing has a massive transit system, many of the empty areas on the maps of Beijing are actually filled with people. This would be a whole new kind of wasteland in that, instead of fighting raiders and mutants surrounded by relatively empty wastes, you would be in an environment filled with half broken houses, etc. Fighting through broken down Chinese tenements around the eighth ring road would be pretty badass.

The map will include the Summer Palace - nearly Rad free due to the fact that because it's basically a park, and not close enough to any major military target, it was largely ignored by American Military Intelligence, and therefore not bombed. It houses the remnants of the Chinese government, whose control is significantly stronger than that of the Enclave. It has, since the war, reestablished control over Shanghai, Chongqing, Guangzhou, etc. through a virtual monopoly of force, a monopoly on clean water, radio communications and pre-war science.
The Summer Palace has recently run out of fresh water due to the rise of a new super bug (tie in to FEV if need be), which is resistant to most forms of water treatment, and behaves like a flesh eating disease. Now that they are no longer able to withhold water in order to compel obedience within Beijing proper, numerous other factions have recently wrested control of certain areas of the City from the hands of the Proletarian Dictatorship or Proldict.
North of Beijing the Han (not to be confused with the ethnicity Han) have what's left of the military base hidden under Badaling - the most visited section of the Great Wall - they are ethnically Mongolian, and have named themselves after Genghis Khan (Han). They employ motorcycles and some kind of mutated horse... The behave like the Mongol hordes with the same kind of vicious and violent power structure and struggles. Their control does not extend to far into the city proper, but they will mount large scale raids that frequently penetrate far into the heart of the city.
In the Forbidden City (called the Forbidding City) the Undying Son of Heaven, the Chinese Emperor of Ghouls plots the overthrow of the Proldict and the coming supremacy of the Empire. He most closely resembles the Chinese emperors of old, and the Dragons Ghouls most closely follow traditional Confucian Values. They are currently seeking to discover pre-war technology that will allow them to control the process of Ghoulification, or some other way of reproduction (ghouls are sterile).
South of the Forbidden City in one of Beijing's many factory districts on the outskirts of ChaoYang is the Tong or Triads. A shadow power that has nonetheless managed to infiltrate all the other factions. They seek nothing other than the continuation of the present course, after all the Triads will always exist to profit from everything "war is good for business."
Finally there are the Yellow Turbans, centered in the Western section of Beijing in the Taoist temple district. They closely resemble the Yellow Turbans from the Fall of the Han dynasty (Dynasty Warriors, for those of you who would rather game than read). More of a fundamentalist, militant Taoist cult than any real organized faction. They seek to carve out their own fiefdoms to practice their own particular version of religious freedom.

Those are the main factions, others could include ones modeled on the traveling Shaolin monks, a group similar to the Taiping rebellion (some dude gets his hands on a poorly translated version of the bible, has some f-cked up dreams and thinks he's Jesus' little brother, killing 20 million people in the process). I could go on, but this is long enough.
In terms of music and environment and all those mood things: China was even more paranoid than the US. Hell, China IS more paranoid than the US.
I live in China, and there's a nuclear bomb shelter in the basement of my building. Same with most other big buildings in China. Most of them have been converted into parking lots. There is a massive network of military tunnels large enough to accommodate four tanks side by side...
Personally, I would rather fallout move to China than anywhere else (even Fallout: London wouldn't pull me in as much). Maybe that's because I live in China...
Salaam
 

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why not travel north to Canada or the arctic instead of the wasteland type maybe it drove some parts of the world into a nuclear winter it could take 10 years after new vegas and in term them being travelers i mean in 200 years after people left the vaults at the time of new vegas someone traveled north super moosen super cougars super polar bears and so forth and it could tie in the story considering it was annexed by th us before the war also Niagara falls
 

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There already is Fallout in other countries, it's called Stalker and Metro 2033 ;)
 

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Dog Wednesday said:
Of course it wouldnt work! Everyone knows America is the centre of the universe. Why have games in boring new locations when we can experience more of the same? Everyone knows that the problem with todays game industry is that they try new things too often. Besides, us foreigners NEVER get tired of playing games with an American-centric outlook. But in all seriousness, Europe would be great. They had a huge oil war with the Mid-East, then turned on each other during the last days of pre-nukedom. Lots of possibilities to explore.
To be honest, this is just a lot of what I'm getting here. I'm not pinning it down to narrow minded patriotism, but there seems to be a degree of bias for certain people. Halo, Metal Gear, Super Mario, The Legend of Zelda, Metroid, The Elder Scrolls etc. are all based in fictional (or at least somewhat) worlds and universes, yet they all seem to be pretty popular IPs. Also let's take into account Assassin's Creed (and it's sequels) have been based in the Middle East and Italy; God of War took place largely in Greece; Uncharted takes place across a variety of locations. Again, these are popular IPs.

Why is it such a problem then, for Fallout to be based anywhere but the US? So far the only (slightly) valid arument I've heard is that the lore is deeply rooted there. But even that is pretty weak sauce. We don't know the exact state of Europe, however we do know that members of the Commonwealth are still alive.

Come on kids, open your minds up to a world of possibilities!
 

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Korten12 said:
Mr Pantomime said:
Who says other countries didnt have their own supermutants? Noones very original when it comes to genetic engineering these days.
Well the fact that it was the US that developed F.E.V. I doubt Europe would also have it.

So no Super Mutants.
Its quite shocking how people dont realise that other countries can develope similar things on their own, America developed the worlds first Atomic Bomb, i highly doubted they shared the designs with the USSR but they made their own as well.

so why couldnt europe develope something similar to the F.E.V?
 

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spartandude said:
Korten12 said:
Mr Pantomime said:
Who says other countries didnt have their own supermutants? Noones very original when it comes to genetic engineering these days.
Well the fact that it was the US that developed F.E.V. I doubt Europe would also have it.

So no Super Mutants.
Its quite shocking how people dont realise that other countries can develope similar things on their own, America developed the worlds first Atomic Bomb, i highly doubted they shared the designs with the USSR but they made their own as well.

so why couldnt europe develope something similar to the F.E.V?
I have no idea. Clearly (as I mentioned above) there's a level of bias with the Fallout universe... its fans appear to be very adverse to change.
 

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Hairetos said:
Oh God, post-apocalyptic Moscow? I'm gonna need some Prozac to play that.
I think it'd be fun. I mean, what better than walking around Moscow in the snow while everyone around you is ghouls and are trying to eat your face...

On second thoughts...
 

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Ultratwinkie said:
martin said:
Saying it wouldn't work elsewhere is just limiting to the potential fun.
No Enclave? There weren't any Enclave in NV.
No BOS? They only played a very minor role in NV.
They've created an entire universe and some people are satisfied with seeing only a small part of it?

I'd love a new Fallout in Europe, or anywhere else for that matter. The US is fine, I enjoyed both FO3 and NV and I won't say they should stop making any in the US, but a Europe locale has the potential to be really neat. Or maybe even the middle east, unless there is a canon reference stopping this, the region could have a new Arabian golden age. Maybe an area torn apart by tribal warfare maybe the Remnants of Israel and Iran have formed two post apocalyptic (relative)superpowers, like the NCR and Legion. Then again, I think I remember reading that the middle east was united for the resource war?
middle east = A burnt hole in the gorund. the middle east was violently torn apart by Europe, killing the middle eastern people and destroying the oil reserves. There is no middle east.

Europe = promptly blew itself up after the disagreements among the countries turned violent.

Mexico & south America = fell apart as America destabilized the Mexican government so the Americans can occupy the oil rigs during the chaos.

China = Worse off than America. Chinese tried to reform into an empire but promptly collapsed.

America is literally the only place left that can be habitable. The rest is literally a hole in the ground with a nuke dropped on it after wards. Also there are only 122 vaults in the world, and they are all in America. There are also other government vaults which are not specified in quantity.
That's so typical ¬_¬

I'm a bit fed up with the same old everywhere except America goes to hell routine. That's a petty excuse to not feature a game or movie elsewhere.

Disaster movies can't even be bothered to demonstrate proper chaos elsewhere, they take old clips of riots in London from the 1970s and say, "Yup, that'll do".

Yup of course, because aliens blowing up big ben and eiffal tower = Europe defeated. Oh wait though, we'll be fine, because the US president has single handedly thought up a way that the entire world can be saved, YAY!
 

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pulse2 said:
Ultratwinkie said:
martin said:
Saying it wouldn't work elsewhere is just limiting to the potential fun.
No Enclave? There weren't any Enclave in NV.
No BOS? They only played a very minor role in NV.
They've created an entire universe and some people are satisfied with seeing only a small part of it?

I'd love a new Fallout in Europe, or anywhere else for that matter. The US is fine, I enjoyed both FO3 and NV and I won't say they should stop making any in the US, but a Europe locale has the potential to be really neat. Or maybe even the middle east, unless there is a canon reference stopping this, the region could have a new Arabian golden age. Maybe an area torn apart by tribal warfare maybe the Remnants of Israel and Iran have formed two post apocalyptic (relative)superpowers, like the NCR and Legion. Then again, I think I remember reading that the middle east was united for the resource war?
middle east = A burnt hole in the gorund. the middle east was violently torn apart by Europe, killing the middle eastern people and destroying the oil reserves. There is no middle east.

Europe = promptly blew itself up after the disagreements among the countries turned violent.

Mexico & south America = fell apart as America destabilized the Mexican government so the Americans can occupy the oil rigs during the chaos.

China = Worse off than America. Chinese tried to reform into an empire but promptly collapsed.

America is literally the only place left that can be habitable. The rest is literally a hole in the ground with a nuke dropped on it after wards. Also there are only 122 vaults in the world, and they are all in America. There are also other government vaults which are not specified in quantity.
That's so typical ¬_¬

I'm a bit fed up with the same old everywhere except America goes to hell routine. That's a petty excuse to not feature a game or movie elsewhere.

Disaster movies can't even be bothered to demonstrate proper chaos elsewhere, they take old clips of riots in London from the 1970s and say, "Yup, that'll do".

Yup of course, because aliens blowing up big ben and eiffal tower = Europe defeated. Oh wait though, we'll be fine, because the US president has single handedly thought up a way that the entire world can be saved, YAY!
Well this was the Reverse, America caused a war to make the word go boomy, through Europe was already a hell hole before the nukes..
 

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we actually have proof though that people are still in the commonwealth, how do you explain that?