Your favorite franchises that have become trash
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Agreed, and since you brought it up, I'm going to get something off my chest that's been bugging me:wammnebu said:
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SINCE WHEN DID THE STARGATE HAVE A LIMITED RANGE!?!?!?
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ok, I'm done now.
... and back on topic, Star Trek too. Some franchises need to be brought to an end while they're still ahead.
Command and Conquer since Generals, I don't know what they were smoking when they made 3 and 4, but it must have been pretty damn strong.
Alien vs Predator (game series), the first two were fantastic, the most recent addition was an abomination, what kind of FPS doesn't even have a crouch button?!
Not a single franchise but I am becoming concerned by this trend with game developers to either tack on multiplayer to games that were previously only single player, or just simply concentrate on multiplayer over single player.
Tacked on: Assassins Creed, Bioshock and Dead Space.
Concentrated on: Gears of War, Halo (COD? I haven't played them).
Alien vs Predator (game series), the first two were fantastic, the most recent addition was an abomination, what kind of FPS doesn't even have a crouch button?!
Not a single franchise but I am becoming concerned by this trend with game developers to either tack on multiplayer to games that were previously only single player, or just simply concentrate on multiplayer over single player.
Tacked on: Assassins Creed, Bioshock and Dead Space.
Concentrated on: Gears of War, Halo (COD? I haven't played them).
Really? I actually enjoyed NCAA 11, 10 was still better and 11 shifted a bit from the "college" growing thing, but 11 was still goodRandy Diamon said:
For me it's Metroid. Other M had great gameplay (well, it was better than average I thought), but the story turned me off hard core. I loved the Metroid Prime Trilogy, the 1st game is probably Number 4 on my Top 10 game list for the immersion that it gave me, but it seems like the story, which though light gave Samus a tough personality, was messed w/ and turned what I considered a woman who's voice was battle harded and strong to whiney and drunk and dull, submissive and a shift. I've literally forced myself to forget her Other M voice in place of the voice I hear her as
Well "trash" means a hell of a lot more than mediocre. CoD is mediocre now, not trash.
Trash would be something I simply refuse to paly more than a few minutes of, it is not worth my money, not worth any of my time, you'd have to PAY me to play it. THAT is trash.
-Perfect Dark, I loved that game but Perfect Dark Zero *projectile vomit*
-Also Banjo Kazooie... you can put just ALL of Rare on there, including Goldenye (there are THREE games under that title) and James Bond games in general.
-Painkiller; what the fuck happened there, oh yeah, People Can Fly moved to Epic.
-Medal of Honor: the latest game is technically mediocre, but it also is not fun, it just misses the point, pacific assault was better.
-Star Wars games in general (hopefully SWTOR will reverse this)
-Silent Hill
-Soldier of Fortune
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Trash would be something I simply refuse to paly more than a few minutes of, it is not worth my money, not worth any of my time, you'd have to PAY me to play it. THAT is trash.
-Perfect Dark, I loved that game but Perfect Dark Zero *projectile vomit*
-Also Banjo Kazooie... you can put just ALL of Rare on there, including Goldenye (there are THREE games under that title) and James Bond games in general.
-Painkiller; what the fuck happened there, oh yeah, People Can Fly moved to Epic.
-Medal of Honor: the latest game is technically mediocre, but it also is not fun, it just misses the point, pacific assault was better.
-Star Wars games in general (hopefully SWTOR will reverse this)
-Silent Hill
-Soldier of Fortune
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For TV series Stargate probably. Stargate Atlantis was decent not as good as SG-1 but still a good spin-off and yet it got cancelled with a few good seasons left. Why? To promote another Spin Off aka Stargate Universe (A disgrace to the franchise it was so dull and nothing like the original series).
Alien and Predator franchise.
AvP destroyed both franchises and AVPR almost killed it off if it wasnt for Ridley Scott who is going to make an Alien prequel.
An advanced alien hunter race that hunts for sport vs A "perfect" being that is very hard to kill has disturbing methods for reproducing and has acid for blood.
How the hell could they make a concept that awesome suck so badly?
Alien and Predator franchise.
AvP destroyed both franchises and AVPR almost killed it off if it wasnt for Ridley Scott who is going to make an Alien prequel.
An advanced alien hunter race that hunts for sport vs A "perfect" being that is very hard to kill has disturbing methods for reproducing and has acid for blood.
How the hell could they make a concept that awesome suck so badly?
This always makes me sad to hear.Gizmo1990 said:
Final Fantasy XI has some quite beautifully done story lines, probably some of my very favorites in the entire series. Granted I don't exactly expect everyone to be willing to buy all the expansions, pay monthly fees and play for months just for the story.
Still don't think it should be so widely considered to 'not count'.
OT: Megaman X.
1 through 6 were all decently fast paced side scrollers, gameplay was always generally smooth and challenging.
Then #7 came along, throwing it haphazardly into 3D. Much like Sonic all this did was serve to make the game slower and clumsier. It was improved a bit by 8, but overall it just never came anywhere near the quality of the previous titles.
Then they also could never decide what to do with that characters. Zero is dead! Oh but now he's not. Ah, he's dead again! Nevermind, oh but he sealed himself in a capsule for a million-billion years. Scratch that, he's back again. X is now a pacifist so here's a new character! Screw it, X decides to shoot things again two missions later. You'd also think everyone would stop being so surprised whenever they find out that Sigma is never ever dead.
One more vote for Silent Hill. I actually liked some of the ideas in 4, and some of the visual design was downright awesome, but Homecoming was a hack job. A gratuitously drawn out repetitive mess that explained both too much and too little and had virtually no sense of the earlier games' draw.
as was mentioned in the first tread.
all the IW CoDs from 1,2,and 4 were the last for me. While 2 was a cash in sequel, the polish in the Multiplayer was sublime. cut to several years later, with much creative freedom Infinity Wards strikes out a masterpiece and archetype for all future FPS' going forward. CoD4 had everything you can ask for in a $50 game. A decent length (10hrs) and compiling Story mode, and the now standard achievement based, kill streak rewarding multiplayer experience.
everything after that was just a cash in on the hype.
Another is Battlefield1942 BattlefieldVietnam and Battlefield2. 1942 was the epitome of free form warfare. Everything is at your disposal and you can tackle the objective in whichever way you wanted. Vietnam was a fun failed experiment, still the best FPS for booby traps ever. Battlefield2, while i don't hold that game with much regards, refined the open warfare to its most frantic yet did not diminish the idea that its still gave you an open world to fight in.
everything else after that became cash-ins, i.e. BF2142, or consolified, i.e. the corridor shooters BF:BC and BF:BC2 with giant DRM stickers all over.
Here's hoping BF3 doesn't fall into the CoD trap of copying other peoples game play mechanics.
The fact that the recent gameplay trailer could have easily been mistaken for the next CoD frightens me. I want my OPEN WORLD SANDBOX BATTLEFIELD back. not this bullshit corridor shooter >.<
whatever though. I am reminded of a igoogle quote i read a few days ago "Sometimes doing whats right isn't as important as doing whats profitable" ~southpark dudes.
all the IW CoDs from 1,2,and 4 were the last for me. While 2 was a cash in sequel, the polish in the Multiplayer was sublime. cut to several years later, with much creative freedom Infinity Wards strikes out a masterpiece and archetype for all future FPS' going forward. CoD4 had everything you can ask for in a $50 game. A decent length (10hrs) and compiling Story mode, and the now standard achievement based, kill streak rewarding multiplayer experience.
everything after that was just a cash in on the hype.
Another is Battlefield1942 BattlefieldVietnam and Battlefield2. 1942 was the epitome of free form warfare. Everything is at your disposal and you can tackle the objective in whichever way you wanted. Vietnam was a fun failed experiment, still the best FPS for booby traps ever. Battlefield2, while i don't hold that game with much regards, refined the open warfare to its most frantic yet did not diminish the idea that its still gave you an open world to fight in.
everything else after that became cash-ins, i.e. BF2142, or consolified, i.e. the corridor shooters BF:BC and BF:BC2 with giant DRM stickers all over.
Here's hoping BF3 doesn't fall into the CoD trap of copying other peoples game play mechanics.
The fact that the recent gameplay trailer could have easily been mistaken for the next CoD frightens me. I want my OPEN WORLD SANDBOX BATTLEFIELD back. not this bullshit corridor shooter >.<
whatever though. I am reminded of a igoogle quote i read a few days ago "Sometimes doing whats right isn't as important as doing whats profitable" ~southpark dudes.
To be fair, you cant hold a game's audience against it. Developers would face a bunch of lawsuits if they even thought about segregating an entire group out. Plus its hard to do that when you dont realy know who does it without the big brother feel.teh_Canape said:
(I don't count Modern Warfare because that's when it started reeking of little idiots and became the "pr0 n00b killa h4rdc0r3z g4m3rz" bullshit. though the game itself is not bad at all)
OT: Spyro for sure. Jak started to get stale. Most any online shooter cause they're all becoming the same.
And mario.
Empire Earth series. I didnt play the first one, because my f****** PC wont play it, but the second one made me fell in love with the strategy genre. The third one I didnt play as well, but from what I heared I wouldn touch that steaming pile of s*** with an 5 meter long stick.
I mean what the hell were they thinking.
I mean what the hell were they thinking.
This.Griffolion said:
Splinter Cell is another one that got trashed. 1 was desperately unpolished and fiddly. 2 was better, 3 was the crowning game of awesome in Tactical Espionage Action. Then came 4, they fucked all of it and multiplayer suffered "fixes" for what wasn't broken. 5 I don't even wanna talk about.
Devil May Cry suffered the Franchise Rollercoaster Phenomenon. 1 was kickass, 2 was heinous, 3 was kickass again, then 4 majorly fixed what was broke in 3 but pulled the Metal Gear Solid 2 protagonist-swap bullshit and obnoxiously overfocused on the extreme combat. The upcoming 5 is the product of a complete monster.
Tekken pulled the Splinter Cell. From 1 up to 5 it only got increasingly more kickass due to exponentially polished graphics and controls. Story I couldn't care for, but it reached the ultimate level of banality in 6, when it fell into the Street Fighter pit of dick-waving contests with online multiplayer and rushed endings for every character. It's impossible to like it anymore.
Not sure if Street Fighter suffered the same, since I was never a follower of it. I do wish it didn't have a trillion spinoffs and Arcade updates (why can't they just have the final update as the actual final product?)
Final Fantasy. Oh god, Final Fantasy... They should have simply STOPPED after 10. X-2 was a Britney Spears-y abomination. 12 ruined it irredeemebly with that "license system" mess, now 13 made it into a movie more than a game due to the intolerably lazy "gambit system" and the characters are even more alien than usual for a JRPG.
Command & Conquer. I should have smelled it coming when C&C3 was released. Which I did, and it wasn't irredeemable, but I could have gone a lifetime without EA screwing the story into irreversible Tiberium post-apocalypse. C&C4 was the crowning moment of failure where the singleplayer campaign can literally be speedrun in less than 6 hours by an extreme professional and the abandonment of the central gameplay element - base construction. That and forced online connectivity + dick-waving tournaments. FFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-
Worms - Is it just me or has that franchise suffered the Sonic Syndrome? 3D just doesn't seem to work well with those little trigger happy maggots.
Temporarily, the Sly Cooper franchise. Don't get me wrong, it is an excellent example of cartoons turned 3D with a dash of Tactical Espionage Action-Adventure-Platform-Puzzling. But the CLIFFHANGER at the end of 3. Release the conclusion already, SuckerPunch!
Metal Gear FUCKING Solid. Oh. My. Fuck. Why didn't they stop after MGS4? It wrapped every slightest loose end up tightly and sequelproofed itself irreversibly. On top of that, why must they still release unplayable prequels on the PSP that are actually sequels to MGS3, which was on the PS2?
Final Fight. 1 was the crowning moment of awesome in side-scrolling beat'em-up. It baffles me how they kept fucking up the ports for FF1 (only the ZX Spectrum and SegaCD were faithful, even if SegaCD suffered clunky controls and terrible graphics) while 2 and 3 were only released on SNES, 3 was still kickass in its own right, but it just begs for an Arcade release. Then we heard nothing more of it until FF Revenge was released on the Saturn. That was Looney Tunes-level of stupid in a negative connotation. Streetwise for PS2 only further condemned the franchise into eternal moneymilking. Now Guy and Cody are thrown into Street Fighter 4 while Haggar got a place in Marvel VS Capcom 3? Fucking fanwankers.
Ratchet & Clank. I just have this strange feeling that if they make another sequel (Heroes on the Move doesn't count) to the lovable R&C now, they'll only fuck it up.
While not a favorite, Resident Evil kicked me in the balls just as much. 1 through 3 were just timewasters for me. I don't know why the hell I even stood to like 4, I guess it's the only one in the franchise that brought an end to the general shit that hung over the series as a whole, but then, precisely like a drug addict, RE5 came along and reverted the intuitive inventory system BACK into a clunky 3x3 and exasperated the stupid quick-time event fights and quite possibly left itself open to ANOTHER GODDAMN SEQUEL. And don't get me started on the racism allegations. I hate playing as a hypocritically white-skinned American yippee-ki-yay "hero" solely gunning down humans of opposite ethnicity (why did no one call RE4 out on that one?).
Heroes of Might and Magic. 3 Complete (+ its fanpatch that fixed what was broke) was the crowning game of awesome in turn-based strategy. Then came 4, it clunkily introduced a sort of 2 1/2D battlefield and various other innovative features, but at the cost of all that made 3 awesome. Then came 5, an absolute shitfest of gimmicky 3D with unmotivated voice actors for all the soldiers and horrifyingly unusable town building interface that's even more gimmicky because it felt like I was entering into a ripoff of a Lord of The Rings citadel every time I entered the Haven (Castle) town, rather than the fixed shots in the previous instalments.
EyeToy Play. 3 ruined all of it. Can't remember the last time I even played 1 and 2, despite my frantic love of them.
Sonic The Hedgehog. Goes without saying. Sonic and 3D just don't mix like fish out of water. Also, werehog. RRRRRRAAAAAAAGGGEEEEEEE!
It makes me weep when nothing is sacred. Nothing at all.
Sonic is inevitrable in this thread. Although I did kinda like colors. Sonic 4 is good but seriously overratted in my opinion. *cough* justlikesonicadventure ... no one heard me say that :-xToonLink said:Damn, ninja'd.Danceofmasks said:Sonic!
Even colours doesn't feel quite right.
Sonic has taken a steady decline downhill. Sonic 4 was excellent, dont get me wrong, but all the BS that preceded it was just unbearable.
