Cliffy B doesn't understand Mirror's Edge, and later compares demos to bad sex

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DYin01

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Thirtysomething said:
To be fair, Gears is a lot of fun to play.

And also to be fair, Mirror's edge is just an FP game but without guns (or I suppose it does have them but penalises you so much for holding them it isn't worth it). So yeah, they took away an element from a genre, making it so there's less in it. How could anyone think basing a first-person game on just jumping around is a good idea? Even Metroid Prime, an FPA whose focus was platforming and exploration, had guns - this is a videogame, people want to shoot shit!

I know, I'll make a platformer, only this one I'll make it without any gaps in the platforms. The player doesn't have to jump, just run. No-one's ever done this before it'll be innovative and fresh.

Sheesh.
.. Are you mentally ill? Or aren't you born with 'close-mindedness'? They didn't take out the guns of an FPS game. Mirror's Edge isn't an FPS, like Fallout isn't an FPS. They're both in first perosn, but that doesn't make them 'first person shooters'. Just like an isometric view doesn't make a game a Diablo clone. Oh my god! Is it possible to make a game in first person perspective and NOT make a shooter out of it? You better believe it.

Mirror's Edge is a game based around 'free running' or 'parkour'. It's a sport. It's hard. No one has ever made a game out of it, which is strange when you think about it because skateboarding, snowboarding, rollerblading (or however you want to call it), BMXing, all have their own games.
 

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I just played about half of Mirror's Edge. Aside from the usual platforming nonsense pissing me off, the usual off by .5mm so you fall and die deaths, blind jumps, and the oh "Oooooooh, that's where I was supposed to go kind of moments where you blame the game as much as yourself, it's pretty good. Unfortunately, everytime guns get brought into it can get really fucking annoying. if it was simply running around a city, maybe with chasing, fleeing and just general bits of dicking around on rooftops, I would have liked it more. Since so often you'll have to put up with asshole cops and and a complicated jumping maneuver you'll soon get tired of the clunky the gunplay mechanics that you force yourself to use so you don't get your tits shot off as you're trying to position yourself just right.

I would like it a lot better if the gunplay was toned down by a level or three or the shooting didn't suck a tremendous amount of cock. I think they should have let Faith carry a pistol so as to making this not be a problem. That or reduced the gunplay by a large amount. If you're going to make me fight, give me a combat system that doesn't suck. Or make it shitty and not force me to fight anyone. Ever. I can live with the shooting and violence to happen in a cutscene. I'm here for the parkour tomfoolery. I can understand where Cliffy B is coming from. Much like myself, give me a gun and an enemy, and I'm going to shoot him. Cliff is an instant gratification kind of gamer, the kind whose not happy unless he's holding a gun the size of a motorcycle and has an alien willy bouncing off the front of his space helmet. Give him guns and he's going to want to use them.

And on Demos/betas, while I don't agree with him, I do hate betas. A game shouldn't have a beta unless it needs one, like when Halo 3 had new guide options as well as saved films to test on a wide scale, and Little Big Planet needed to make sure that the PSN was turned on for them to use. I don't think COD4 needed one, nor did COD:W@W. Well, W@W didn't have a beta. It had a limited, at first (and is all of COD.com's members limited? I signed up there a little while ago and got an invite to both the PC and XBOX 'betas'; after the 'input by code' expired), release, and then was put up for public use. Seems a lot less like a beta and more like a Multiplayer demo.
 

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The_root_of_all_evil said:
Bulletinmybrain said:
The_root_of_all_evil said:
If the L4D demo is bad sex, then I'll plead satyriasis.
Because Necrophilia is bad in general?
So many responses that would get me banned....

But no, Satyriasis is the male version of Nymphomania.
Eh, My comment was focus on the if L4D is bad sex. Who cares if you got a hankering to have sex. Corpses are NOT the answer.
 
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Bulletinmybrain said:
The_root_of_all_evil said:
Bulletinmybrain said:
The_root_of_all_evil said:
If the L4D demo is bad sex, then I'll plead satyriasis.
Because Necrophilia is bad in general?
So many responses that would get me banned....

But no, Satyriasis is the male version of Nymphomania.
Eh, My comment was focus on the if L4D is bad sex. Who cares if you got a hankering to have sex. Corpses are NOT the answer.
It was a metaphor. I've just got a hankering for demos. :p
 

Thirtysomething

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Oh dear...

EDIT: Just to clarify for the dense:

I'm actually planning to get this game come payday, it does look quite fun and original (it is coming out on PC isn't it?). The POINT I was trying to make was that Cliffy is obviously a huge troll, and the existence of this thread shows he's been quite successful at it.

I'm laughing with him on this one.
 

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DYin01 said:
Thirtysomething said:
To be fair, Gears is a lot of fun to play.

And also to be fair, Mirror's edge is just an FP game but without guns (or I suppose it does have them but penalises you so much for holding them it isn't worth it). So yeah, they took away an element from a genre, making it so there's less in it. How could anyone think basing a first-person game on just jumping around is a good idea? Even Metroid Prime, an FPA whose focus was platforming and exploration, had guns - this is a videogame, people want to shoot shit!

I know, I'll make a platformer, only this one I'll make it without any gaps in the platforms. The player doesn't have to jump, just run. No-one's ever done this before it'll be innovative and fresh.

Sheesh.
.. Are you mentally ill? Or aren't you born with 'close-mindedness'? They didn't take out the guns of an FPS game. Mirror's Edge isn't an FPS, like Fallout isn't an FPS. They're both in first perosn, but that doesn't make them 'first person shooters'. Just like an isometric view doesn't make a game a Diablo clone. Oh my god! Is it possible to make a game in first person perspective and NOT make a shooter out of it? You better believe it.

Mirror's Edge is a game based around 'free running' or 'parkour'. It's a sport. It's hard. No one has ever made a game out of it, which is strange when you think about it because skateboarding, snowboarding, rollerblading (or however you want to call it), BMXing, all have their own games.
noones ever made a FIRST PERSON parkour game.

There are several games that involve a lot of climbing, jumping, running along walls, up walls, leaping, vaulting, etc.

Prince of Persia SoT era for instance, or Assassin's Creed, even Ninja Gaiden. Maybe you prefer to think of those games as not using parkour, but they do almost all the same stuff.

I personally think everyone is entitled to their opinions, whether or not they have legions of sheep bahhing at their every word
 

Bulletinmybrain

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The_root_of_all_evil said:
Bulletinmybrain said:
The_root_of_all_evil said:
Bulletinmybrain said:
The_root_of_all_evil said:
If the L4D demo is bad sex, then I'll plead satyriasis.
Because Necrophilia is bad in general?
So many responses that would get me banned....

But no, Satyriasis is the male version of Nymphomania.
Eh, My comment was focus on the if L4D is bad sex. Who cares if you got a hankering to have sex. Corpses are NOT the answer.
It was a metaphor. I've just got a hankering for demos. :p
On your grave it shall entitle."Valves Necrophilliac" How about that?
 

Jaythulhu

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Gears of war 2 == overhyped. Has cliffy b learnt nothing from the example of john romeo, when j.r claimed that he was going to "make us his *****", or is his ego simply too large?

"God's gift to video games" is going to have a very hard fall, sooner or later. Hopefully it will be entertaining.
 

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I'm hoping he'll fall like so many Price of Persia [Classic] Players... you know, when half of you is still five floors up being diced by a blade-door, and the other half is crushed and splattered on a spike trap? That would be nice.

And by god I agree on the gun-fags dragging games down. Not all of us have ADHD.
 

Thirtysomething

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But all that said, whether or not Mirror's Edge will be any good, you can't get away from the fact that Gears of War is a lot of fun. And very successful - the guy has earned his arrogance.