Microsoft says Hardcore gamers have been wrong for 10 years

[SpaceMedarotterX]

1.That Hardcore gamers will buy a projected $150 add-on that has no games that currently appeal to them (scept maybe Fable 3 depending on your enjoyment of said series)because it has Achievments?

Studies indicate that a game with easy to acquire achievements may move 40 - 50k more copies than it would have otherwise. Do you really think people aquire gamerscores of 50,000 or more playing ONLY games they actually like?

Besides, it isn't an insult. The hardcore thought the Wii would crash and burn. Thus far it has outsold just about everything ever made. They thought the DS was inferior to the PSP yet which handheld is thriving and which one is wallowing in obscurity? They assumed the Xbox would be a miserable failure and now the second iteration managed to unseat the previous champion. If pointing out the very real fact that people who classify themselves as "hardcore" have been wrong about a LOT of major things in the last decade is insulting, I suggest you stay inside more often.

No I said I find it insulting that someone thinks I'm going to sell out $150 to buy an add on, just so I can buy MORE games to get achievment points. Why the fuck wouldn't I just buy more games with the money I have and forgoe Kinect.

I find it insulting my sapien friend that some people will bend over and spread there ass cheeks and take that kind of treatment.

Oh and by the way the 'former king' was The PS2, which is still beating all the consoles today combined. And even then the new king would be the Wii, Microsoft hasn't unseated jack they've sat in the same position they did before, the middle.

I do not consider myself 'Hardcore' Infact I find the notions that companys like Sony and Microsoft using terms like that is childish.

Tell me in what world it makes more sense to buy Kinect $150 right there in america, $300 in australia. And then buy games for it, so each game is $60 in america and $120 in australia.

As opposed to spending that money simply buying games period.

Yeah it may appeal to the mindless drones who have no concept of savings but it would not appeal to anyone who has ever had to earn a living.

 

[Eclectic Dreck]

No I said I find it insulting that someone thinks I'm going to sell out $150 to buy an add on, just so I can buy MORE games to get achievment points. Why the fuck wouldn't I just buy more games with the money I have and forgoe Kinect.

Given how he didn't call you out personally, I don't see how you can possibly feel insulted. Especially given that you clearly don't think his statement applies.

Oh and by the way the 'former king' was The PS2, which is still beating all the consoles today combined. And even then the new king would be the Wii, Microsoft hasn't unseated jack they've sat in the same position they did before, the middle.
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If you ignore the DS, sure it's beating everything else. But what relevance does that have on the modern market place? It doesn't mean a damn thing no matter how many times sony shows their PS2 lifetime sales when reminding gamers that they were once the king of something.

I do not consider myself 'Hardcore' Infact I find the notions that companys like Sony and Microsoft using terms like that is childish.

So, your insulted because a sweeping generalization was applied to a group that you do not consider yourself a member of? I'm sorry but as a hardcore gamer, I don't need you to be insulted on my behalf. I'm perfectly suited to provide my own indignation when the situation calls for it, and this one simply does not.

Tell me in what world it makes more sense to buy Kinect $150 right there in america, $300 in australia. And then buy games for it, so each game is $60 in america and $120 in australia.

It makes sense if I wanted to play Kinect games. Thus far I don't really care and thus your question has no relevance. It's not like I'm being forced to buy the mcguffin to continue playing games.

As opposed to spending that money simply buying games period.

My money is more expendible than my time. If there were a handfulof games that were interesting enough, I'd certainly purchase the Kinect. I bought my PS3 on the strength of 5 different games I could't play elsewhere and it cost $400 USD. At that rate, it would take less than 2.5 games for the kinect to make me interested enough to make a purchase. Besides, I've even purchased a 200 USD game before, Steel Batallion. These are not the best choices I've made, but as I said, my money is worth less than my time.

But, the best part of all of this nonsense is that you latched onto an offhand remark and have all but ignored the rest of the content you provided. The hardcore has a very negative view of the Kinect at the moment and he is simply pointing out that the hardcore isn't the best metric for determining just how well something is going to do.

Yeah it may appeal to the mindless drones who have no concept of savings but it would not appeal to anyone who has ever had to earn a living.

 

[Klepa]

So I will like it because it'll have achievements? I can feel my brain melting.

I can't believe anyone actually thinks that I'm dumb enough to spend money on something, only so that I can complete achievements.

 

[Blindswordmaster]

Are we not entitled to our opinions? Are we considered wrong just because we're in the minority? We were right about Halo and the popularity of the xbox. We were right about the increased popularity of console gaming. The xbox is considered a bastion of hardcore gaming, don't fuck with that Microsoft. Please.

 

[DarthFennec]

Motion controls aren't new, we've already figured out that we don't like them because of the Wii and the EyeToy. I think Microsoft has been more wrong than they accuse us of being ... Anyway, I'm with Yahtzee on this one, really.

 

[Lucane]

No, they're wrong. I'm not buying a Kinect for achievements. What retard would do that?

For starters? (No offense to anyone buying it.) People who get thier parents guardians or etc. to get it for them (Price is no object if you don't have to front the cash yourself and never had to earn money before.) Others might get it as a gift when someone went shopping for a present for them and by-pass the entry fee into kinect. Then others will get it by other means and some might even lie about it and say they didn't want to buy it but didn't wanna sell it without trying it.

I meant people who go out and buy a Kinect with their own money specificaly for the achievements. That's what Toulouse is saying will happen and I don't know anyone dumb enough to waste $150 just for achievements.

My point being though there are some people who will want Kinect for Achievements the means/price are a different matter becuase "bad" games on the 360 still offer 1000 points for completion of all achievements for the normal 360 Kinect would broaden their options even if it's not a very logical reason.

 

[JourneyThroughHell]

So, first you guys imply that "hardcore gamers" = "achievement junkies", although that might have been just a joke. Then you go on and imply that all hardcore gamers are "failed market analysts".
So, not bying any avatar clothes is a mistake, not wanting to pay for Live is a mistake and wanting a Wi-Fi console is a mistake.
Very nice, Microsoft. Glad to see you take critisism well.

Anyone actually offended by that means that Microsoft have that statement dead to rights, or bang on the money, if you weren't offended you'd be ignoring that statement.

Sorry, but, no. The kind of "if you have problems with our console, you're wrong" statements should be pretty unsettling to every Xbox owner out there.

 

[ItsAPaul]

The Wii is horrible, so that's not something they were wrong about. I'm also not concerned with WHO buys their shit, but you can count on me not bothering with motion controls.

 

[XzarTheMad]

Boo hoo, some miscrosoft guy is bashing hardcore gamers, and since we're such a pretentious lot we all fancy ourself TOTALLY HARDCORE gamers, so we ought to be offended!

Come off it. He has his opinions, you have your own individual ones. Go ahead and disagree, but don't get all prissy and offended just because he doesn't agree with you. Besides, "hardcore gamer" is just a self-applied term to people who have achieved nothing else in life to merit pride.

 

[Dfskelleton]

Yes, no games for the past 10 years have been as cool as this. Who can compare bashing the heads of Combine Soldiers in with a crowbar or vaporizing Demons and Nazis to the almighty badassery of Kinectimals?

 

[CoverYourHead]

I cannot recall anyone EVER saying ethernet ports were a bad idea. As for achievements, I still don't like them much. Paying for multiplayer: Bad idea for consoles, I only like it for MMO's, nothing else. And for avatars: I don't see a point to them, nor have I ever purchased anything for an avatar, nor have any "hardcore" gamers I know.

TL;DR: Fuck off, Microsoft.

 

[Mcupobob]

Glad I'm switching to PC gaming as soon as I get my new video card and extra bits of ram. This whole motion control thing is annoying me.

 

[MFunction]

They just want to dictated what we do that's all they have ever want.

 

[JEBWrench]

*snip*
"Shipping a console with an Ethernet port? Oh, it'll never succeed. Paying for multiplayer? Oh no, that's not good. I don't like avatars; I won't buy anything that goes to my avatar. The Wii... I mean no offence hardcore gamers, you've kinda been wrong a lot for the past ten years.

I find this really really hilarious.

Generally a "hardcore" anything is terribly afraid of anything different, Kinect is no different. And I know it's getting a lot of interest and attention from all kinds of demographics.

(Yet another thing you can learn by talking to people!)

 

[e2density]

I know who's shit I ain't gonna buy.

Shipping a console with an Ethernet port? I didn't know we called this a failure.

Paying for multiplayer? I still don't do this shit, you Microfaggot ripoff fucks. This really pissed me off.

I don't like avatars; I won't buy anything that goes to my avatar. Your forgetting Valve still doesn't charge shit just for a stupid avatar.

 

[SL33TBL1ND]

No, they're wrong. I'm not buying a Kinect for achievements. What retard would do that?

For starters? (No offense to anyone buying it.) People who get thier parents guardians or etc. to get it for them (Price is no object if you don't have to front the cash yourself and never had to earn money before.) Others might get it as a gift when someone went shopping for a present for them and by-pass the entry fee into kinect. Then others will get it by other means and some might even lie about it and say they didn't want to buy it but didn't wanna sell it without trying it.

I meant people who go out and buy a Kinect with their own money specificaly for the achievements. That's what Toulouse is saying will happen and I don't know anyone dumb enough to waste $150 just for achievements.

My point being though there are some people who will want Kinect for Achievements the means/price are a different matter becuase "bad" games on the 360 still offer 1000 points for completion of all achievements for the normal 360 Kinect would broaden their options even if it's not a very logical reason.

No I'm pretty sure the price is the big thing we're talking about here. Do you know anyone who will spend $150 for achievements? Sure it will broaden their options for their stupid need to get a higher gamerscore, but the question I'm asking here is, will they spend $150 to do it?

 

[DigitalSushi]

So, first you guys imply that "hardcore gamers" = "achievement junkies", although that might have been just a joke. Then you go on and imply that all hardcore gamers are "failed market analysts".
So, not bying any avatar clothes is a mistake, not wanting to pay for Live is a mistake and wanting a Wi-Fi console is a mistake.
Very nice, Microsoft. Glad to see you take critisism well.

Anyone actually offended by that means that Microsoft have that statement dead to rights, or bang on the money, if you weren't offended you'd be ignoring that statement.

Sorry, but, no. The kind of "if you have problems with our console, you're wrong" statements should be pretty unsettling to every Xbox owner out there.

Luckily I don't have an Xbox aye!

I'll just go play hardcore games on my PS3 without any silly waggle controls, HAHA!.. wait whats this?...

DAMN IT!

Joking aside, I do agree with you and the communist approach the Microsoft marketing guys seem to be taking here, when its communism that favours the gamers I'm all for it, you guys all get Wifi in your consoles now? THATS SUPERB NEWS, because it benefits us gamers regardless of console of choice.

 

[FieryTrainwreck]

Wow. What a douche.

Why is it so hard for these people to address one portion of their demographic without completely pissing on another?

Also, bravo on the marketing strat. People are rightfully doubting the fuck out of Kinect, so the best course of action is to go on the offensive... against your most loyal customers. Obviously. Douche.

 

[teh_gunslinger]

"I have one thing to say to the hardcore gamer who says Kinect has nothing for them," said Toulouse while discussing concerns about Kinect on Major Nelson's latest podcast. "Those games will have achievements, so don't tell me you're not going to play at least some of them, you hardcore gamers out there. I know you will."

I can tell you this, executive dudu guy: I have never played anything for achievements. And I'm about to begin. Anyone who plays just for achievements are not hard core gamers in my eyes.

"Shipping a console with an Ethernet port? Oh, it'll never succeed.

Who the hell complained about that? The only thing I complained about was you lot shipping a console without wireless ethernet. So yeah...

Paying for multiplayer? Oh no, that's not good.

I've never paid a cent to play online in my 28 years and I'll never do it. The day I have to pay is the day I'll stop playing. So I contest that everybody are willing to pay. Anyone who pays to play online is a sucker I think. So yeah.

I don't like avatars; I won't buy anything that goes to my avatar.

I don't have an avatar nor will I ever get one. And the thought of paying for some crap item for it sickens me. If people who pay to play online are suckers the people who perpetuate this particular scheme are absolute morons.

The Wii... I mean no offence hardcore gamers, you've kinda been wrong a lot for the past ten years.

What? The Wii sucks as mush today as when it was released. I mean, a lot of people also eat at McDonald's. Does that mean that they make good burgers?

 

[BoogieManFL]

I'm a hardcore gamer, and then some. And I don't play for achievements. Most of them that I do achieve I do so playing normally and not going out of my way to get one which to me is even more satisfying.